So before i found 2+2 i was a super agro fish donk spewing his money at 25nl, i think i lost 300 before finally realising i sucked.

I droped down too 2nl and deposited $80, played 65k hands with a winrate of 1.2bb/100 which was pretty crappy but my game was adjusting and was learning a hell of alot of things. moved up to 5nl with a $200br (depositboostobv.) and grinding out 80k hands with a winrate of 2.8bb/100 and at this point i was very very confident in my game and my bankroll got boosted to $450 from winnings and rakeback, have played over 30k hands at 10nl with a -12.5bb/100 and have had a crack at 25nl and have played about 20k hands with a winrate 3.8bb/100.

The reason why ive started this thread was just to get information from you guys in terms of taking shots(and too obv give me some confidence back :P), i know the whole "20-25bis then move up". But ive lost about 300dollars from 10nl but luckily been running good at 25nl. I know im good enough to beat 10nl but goddamn i run bad, the fact that i now have to drop back to 5nl and grind a **** load of hands to get crappy rakeback/winnings is kind of irritating bc i know i could beat higher limits. should i take a week or two off save some money and then deposit?

fyi ive ran my stats through leak tracker on pt4 and im green on almost all areas, I do have good tilt control also.

fyi x2 im not trying to become a "pro" or think im good enough to beat anything higher than 100nl i just would like to get out of the micro's and start actually playing some poker on different levels.

Take shots when you feel comfortable, 20 buyins is a good rule to follow and you seem to already know that. If I were you and I 4 tabled as a standard I would have 3 tables up at the stakes that I am used to and 1 table up at a higher limit. I would slowly incorporate two tables as my bankroll moves up and drop down tables if it slides down.

The winrates u describe at 2nl and 5nl are far from crushing.
Spend some time working out your leaks and improving as a player.
I'm not sure why you're playing 25nl if u can't beat 10nl? Doesn't make sense to me, unless your able to reload freely when u lose?

i moved up to 10nl and was 1 tabling 25nl for a while, tho while i was losing at 10nl my 25nl winnings was keeping me at 10nl if that makes sense? i had a roll of 550 so i was able to reload but was only planning on 3bi's and then drop if i lost them. was overrolled for 10nl with 50bi's(i am a br nit which is why i made this thread), I agree with you that i have some leaks that im not aware of but 60k hands at both limits arent really a big samplesize to determine if im crushing the limits or not, 2nl was more of a learning phase and lost a fair few bis from basic things, i dont think i will ever find my true winrate at these limits but as long as you know how and why your beating the limits you can move up right?

Knowing how and why your beating the limit doesnt justify moving up.

Your winrates at 2nl are next to break even, and 5nl isnt much better to be honest, but then again your a winner at them limits.

so obviously as your losing at 10nl its a bigger jump and i would say ahead of your skills. I wouldnt be playing 25nl til you can beat 10nl, suffer a downswing at 25nl and you will risk your bankroll.

I think the best options are to concentrate on your leaks and stick with 5nl and mix in 10nl til you beat 10nl

Taking shots is usually a term used for MTTs, not higher cash games. I don't think you're supposed to "take shots" above your appropriate BR in cash.
You can probably feel it's wrong to play higher now. Moving up before you crush your current level is a bad idea.
Play. Study. Play. Good luck.

Really think you should be working on your game at 10nl first before even thinking of grinding 25nl, dont mean to come across as a d*ck or anything but if your not beating 10nl i dont see how you can beat 25nl over any sample either.

Post your stats for people to take a look at to try and identify your leaks, read the concept of the weeks and post hands etc..

Less then 3bb at 5nl is poor work on your game before moving up

The 20 BI rule is just to ensure that you never go broke on a downswing. It doesnt really apply to taking shots. Now you dont want to take a shot so big that you jeopardize your entire bankroll. I recommend taking a single buyin shot at the next highest limit. This constitutes 200BB's at your current limit, which is sufficiently at risk any given day of the week anyway, so you might as well take a shot with it in case you do well. Otherwise you write off the loss and continue playing at your current limit anyway as if nothing ever happened.

You lost money at 10NL and you want to move up to 25NL because you ran hot for a couple of sessions? Move back down to 10NL and work on your game or you will go broke. Your choice.

im under the impression you think 10NL is just an "unlucky level" for you?!

if this is correct you need to have a re think about the whole meta game of poker.

gl OP

i guess i deserve to get smashed on the forums (thats the reason i post).

But how would one ever find his true winrate at micro's? 100k hands wouldnt even be close to enough to determine if your a winning or losing player(maybe a losing player) but surely noone is going to grind out 500-1million hands to find it out, they would of moved up by then. i think you all miss the point that i did build a roll from $60-$550. downswings can last for more than 5k hands? ive played over 150k hands playing micro's so its not like i won the money overnight. I do think i have alot of leaks and will drop back down, thanks for the responses!

People are jsut telling the truth thats all bud, 1.2bb/100 for 2nl and 2.8bb/100 for 5nl is far from being what you would call decent winrates. I think this helps say why you are struggling at 10nl. There is a bigger difference from 5nl to 10nl than from 2nl to 5nl.

Dont give up keep playing and studying and crush that 10nl!

Dude i dont think anyone is trying to be mean to you, but would you rather someone give their honest opinion or just say " yea go for it, move up blah blah", but ultimately its up to you.. i just feel that your time would be better spent working on your game at 10nl and get your winrate into the positive rather than moving to 25nl where perhaps you have had some run good etc..

Whatever you decide, GL

I know, I agree with everyone. Im going to cash out what ive won and start again with an $80 dollar roll so i can drop back down study/play, if im good enough ill build a roll in no time and hopefully by then my game will be up to scratch for 10nl.