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Old 08-08-2012, 06:26 AM   #1
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Switching to live... Good idea?

Hi, im guessing you all play live, do most of you play online at times or are you live exclusively?

My question is switching from 100% online to at least 80% live a good idea?

What should i bare in mind making the transition? any key tips?
Why do you prefer/love live poker, what gives it the edge over online?


And I know this is a contentious issue but i play and win at ~$25nl full ring NLHE cash, where should i be comfortable up to live?

Thanks

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Old 08-08-2012, 09:01 AM   #2
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Re: Switching to live... Good idea?

Why do you want to play live?

How patient are you?

How many tables at a time do you play on-line?

Are you tolerant of other people's habits?

What is your bankroll for live play?
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Old 08-08-2012, 09:18 AM   #3
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Re: Switching to live... Good idea?

A large portion of modern Amercian players had little choice after Black Friday. Start playing live, move to a different country, or quit playing.

Its a good assumption that you're in a location where you have a choice. Nice.

There are LOTS of differences between interent & live, I couldn't begin to cover them all. Its two different games.

Two things that really stand out to me are; live is much slower play, and relative winning hand strength is much lower. Best wishes....
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Old 08-08-2012, 09:41 AM   #4
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Why do you want to play live? Experience a new side to poker, fancy interacting with people instead of the screen, massive drunk whales

How patient are you? pretty patient i 1 tabled a MTT yesterday for 6 hours (online)

How many tables at a time do you play on-line? 4-6 Full ring

Are you tolerant of other people's habits? i dont really know what you mean? do i tilt? if so not very much

What is your bankroll for live play? 17.5-30+ buy ins (100bb)
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Old 08-08-2012, 11:07 AM   #5
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Re: Switching to live... Good idea?

17.5 - 30+ buyins at what stakes? If you are used to 6 tabling 1000NL and now want to play one table of 200NL live (1-2 NL), you are going to find transitioning to be very difficult.

Live poker leads to bigger pre-flop raises. A standard table at 2-5 NL will see raises to 5x or 6x, even from UTG. If you raise 2.5x or 3x, expect to be called by at least half the table.

At a live table, you will notice that 3-4 ppl at the table don't understand bet sizing. Some ppl will chase that flush/straight draw even if you are making pot size bets. Extracting money is the name of the game in my opinion.

1 tabling a MTT for 6 hours online and 1 tabling a live full ring game are not even close to similar. While 1 tabling were you watching TV? Calling friends? Texting a girl? Listening to music? DOING ALL OF THESE?!?!?! Well at the casino you can do one of those things for like a minute when not in a hand and all you will be doing is thinking god let this hand end so we can start a new hand, and then when the new hand starts, you will be dealt 8h3c and have to fold that one. And then for the next 9 hands in a row you wont even see a card above a 7. Then on hand 8 you will get AA, raise 4x, and the whole table will fold for no god damn reason. Sounds fun, right?

The point is this, live poker is easy when you get cards and frustrating as hell when you dont. Extract money when you know you are good, don't bluff the calling stations because they really never fold, and just enjoy your time. Good luck
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Old 08-08-2012, 11:32 AM   #6
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Re: Switching to live... Good idea?

The bad news is that there are very few "massive drunk whales" playing 1/2 or 2/5. You're not going to see someone peeling off 5-10 buyins on a regular basis at the table.

I suspect that you'll not like the experience based on your other answers. The only way you'll know is if you try it.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:04 PM   #7
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Re: Switching to live... Good idea?

Thanks for the responses guys, Im just gonna try it and see!

Luckily for me the city im living in for the next year runs the 0.25/0.25 and 0.25/0.50 as standard so i can really just test for tiny stakes, then when i move play some proper money live
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:22 PM   #8
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Re: Switching to live... Good idea?

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Hi, im guessing you all play live, do most of you play online at times or are you live exclusively?

My question is switching from 100% online to at least 80% live a good idea?

What should i bare in mind making the transition? any key tips?
Why do you prefer/love live poker, what gives it the edge over online?


And I know this is a contentious issue but i play and win at ~$25nl full ring NLHE cash, where should i be comfortable up to live?

Thanks
1. I played live for years before the internet existed, then played both until BF, now live exclusively. If Stars (or similar) ever comes back to US, I will probably go back to both.
2. Good idea?: depends entirely on your reaction, and adjustment, to the differences.
3. Key tip: live poker is DIFFERENT. You will need to adjust to it. It will not adjust to you.
4. I prefer live because I think it's more fun (mostly because of the people interractions), and about equally profitable (for me), and also because I originally learned to play live and developed those skills long before HU displays were thought of. To me, live IS poker; online is a virtual representation of poker. (I suppose that, for players who started online, the net game is poker, and live is a quaint simulation of "real", i.e., online, poker.)
5. $25NL online = ? live: This type of question is common, but useless (and misleading). It is based on the false premise that the games use the same skill sets, and that every player who performs at some given rate online should be able to duplicate that rate predictably at some other level live. There is enough difference between the games, and their skill sets, that different individuals, with the same online performance, will have wildly different experiences and outcomes transitioning to live (and vice versa). If you want the answer to this for you, you'll just have to try it yourself, and see.
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:48 PM   #9
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Re: Switching to live... Good idea?

I actually recommended my friend to play skillbet so he could work on his outs counting ability. Its pretty useful for a new poker player to get first hand experience (for cheap) on value bets, bluffs etc.
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Old 08-08-2012, 08:37 PM   #10
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To me, live IS poker; online is a virtual representation of poker.
Agreed. To me, poker is just as much a people game as a card game. There's no substitute for being able to look someone in the face, hear their voice, observe their personal habits, etc. All of that factors into how I play against them.

Plus, it's fun. I've made a lot of friends at the club I frequent. Even on losing nights, I usually manage to have a good time. The place is full of total characters from all walks of life.

If you are naturally extroverted/social, you will, in all likelihood, find live poker more fun and interesting.
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Old 08-08-2012, 09:40 PM   #11
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Live is awesome OP... make the move to the real world.

you can always go back to the cyber realm at a later date... maybe sooner than you think.
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Old 08-09-2012, 05:47 AM   #12
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Thanks for the responses guys, Im just gonna try it and see!

Luckily for me the city im living in for the next year runs the 0.25/0.25 and 0.25/0.50 as standard so i can really just test for tiny stakes, then when i move play some proper money live
They offer a NLTH games with such a low blinds at casino or legal live poker room?
Please, where is that?
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Old 08-09-2012, 07:06 AM   #13
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They offer a NLTH games with such a low blinds at casino or legal live poker room?
Please, where is that?
Both big casinos in dundee (scotland) and 25c/50c is spread nightly in Edinburgh (scotland)
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:08 AM   #14
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Both big casinos in dundee (scotland) and 25c/50c is spread nightly in Edinburgh (scotland)
Rake must be terrible!
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Old 08-09-2012, 11:59 AM   #15
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Rake must be terrible!
It is in dundee its 10% dropping to 5% at 50p/£1

But in edinburgh im pretty sure its just 5%
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