I'm not really sure what to do in spots like this. Against a loose aggresive player I would have shoved and against a super tight player I'd fold like I did.
This guy was 14/9 with a 3 bet percentege of 8 over around 180 hands. So since I didn't have alot of hands on him its hard to make to many assumptions. But he didn't strike me as being either loose aggresive or super tight, more like inbetween.
Should I shove in situations like this with AK? I'm thinking that they are blockers for aces or kings so it reduces the chances of that, and if I take the initiative to shove theres still the chance that he'd fold QQ and JJ and even if he does call I'm not that much of a dog. What do you think?
I'd say you should either have shoved or folded earlier. I'm not a fan of AK when someone is betting in to me hard. It looks like a great hand but it's still what, 48/52 against any pair (hope I am right there). It's not a made hand so still need to hit vs a made hand which I would assume the other guy has. He's either got AK and risking getting caught by a pair or he's made something.
I don't understand why so many raises though, either call or shove. It's gonna get to the point, which I think it did already, that your too committed to the pot to pull out.
I know I need to apply deeper thinking to AK but I just can't stand coin flip all in's so tend to err more on the side of caution. Tends to be the end of my session getting caught and beat by crappy pairs so I just let go. Wrong play for value maybe but it does allow me to carry on. I'm probably nitty and talking crap but that's my take on it.
Put this into a fold equity calculator and you will see that 4bet folding is the worst option. You should either 4bet shove/ call the 3bet or fold to the 3bet. Which is best depends on which villain type you're up against. I don't play fullring so i don't really know what the standard here is with AK vs unknowns.
Put this into a fold equity calculator and you will see that 4bet folding is the worst option. You should either 4bet shove/ call the 3bet or fold to the 3bet. Which is best depends on which villain type you're up against.
This. If you don't know what you'll do if villain 5-bets, don't 4-bet AK in the first place. Just call the 3-bet and play poker.
If you want to 4-bet/fold with something to balance KK+, do it with a hand that can't profitably call a 3-bet. i.e. Literally create some default ranges. If your default calling range vs the 3-bet was (just as an example) 66+, 98s+, suited Broadways, ATs+, then maybe you can 4b/fold hands just outside your flatting range, like A9s, A5s, K9s or 87s. Just pick one of those "trash" hands and go with that. AK is usually too strong to turn into a bluff.
Nothing wrong with doing an explotative fold vs min 5bet. Honestly I'm folding everything other than AA against min 5-bets in my limits, yes I've folded KK to them many times, because 90% of min 5bets are AA.
Completely fine from an exploitative standpoint if you have a population read that min 5-bets are heavily weighted toward nuts.
But on the other hand your 4-bet is <2x so V could find a somewhat balanced min 5-bet range even by an accident.
yeah four bet folding sucks, but calling a nit's EP 3bet when you are OOP sucks just as bad and so does folding pre to his 3bet (which BTW, is what I do here against an obvious nit)
So it's a sucky spot whatever you do. As played nice fold. Don't die in a ditch over the way you played it.
PS
Error in my earlier post, I meant (of course)
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villain's 5bet non shoving range is AA/KK and prob just AA - it's 5nl, he's nitty and EP, FFS
IMO you should shove in this situation. Hand is too good and player can play so strange with middle hands. After shoving and comparing you can know important information about villains playstyle )
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