If you want rakeback, you don't wanna be on 888...

Yep, i know. If 888 had rakeback i'd just play 100% volume on there.

I'm Australian, so Euro sites often don't have much traffic when I'm awake. 888 has a fair amount of Aussie fish though, and Pokerstars I tend to go against regs whom I can do okay against.

I live in NZ and play early mornings and nights. During the day traffic is non-existent.

BTN folds to 3bet 100%, so I decided to flat here. Is the donk bet OTF ok, or too fishy?

3 bet pre like 100% that way don't need to donk the flop. As played either try to get it in on the flop to get called by tp and whatever else 2nl player isn't folding here or call and checkraise the turn

Donk bets fine if he's not going to cbet much 3way. If he cbets a lot then just xc down.

Why would I 3bet him when I know his fold to 3bet is 100% over the sample I have on him?

larger OTT, call riv


donk is fine MW

That hand reminds why 2nl is so easy. Unbelievable...
But well, always 3-bet KK. No exceptions.

I`m sorry, but I just don`t get this. People advocate to not play zoom poker, because it`s tough and you get no reads etc blah blah.

Then at regular table you get reads, but why use them because KK = 3bet all the time.

I`m at 2NL so I`m the fish here, I get that. Please explain to me why would I 3bet someone who has already shown to me that he will fold vast majority of the times, when I can get value from him by flatting. Isn`t this the adjusting part? What is the point of HUD then?

Your basic thinking is fine, but it is a bit off here.

You got 74 hands on him, that is really small sample for F3B (always check howmany samples of actual 3-bets the V has faced).

If you actually had a big sample of him, and he still has high F3B (+~70-75), this line would be fine IF he was opening from EP or MP. When he opens CO he has so wide range, that KK is about always 3-bet here. So even he would be folding a majority of time here, you'd still be ahead a large chunk of times when he wouldn't fold.

Donk is a bit questionable because he seems aggressive (AF 9), you could probably get stacks in by just xc:ing all the way, or raising the turn bet.

Even if he folds you still make profit.
When u flat, he can outdraw you with 22 for example post-flop. When he calls and folds to a cbet, u make good profit also.
Also it's good to get people to play big pots. They are more likely to make mistakes in those.

I'm not sure about HEM2 but I'm pretty sure in PT4 you can stipulate a certain sample size before a stat becomes visible in the HUD. I don't use it but it might be helpful for people that make that mistake often.

For one thing 74 hands isn't a big sample for f3b. But even ignoring that we should pretty much always 3 bet KK because we want to be building the post as much as possible as quickly as possible, especially as we are oop here we want a nice low SPR thats going to be easy to get the money in plus we dont lose as much value if a bad flop comes. Besides this is 2nl and almost everyone makes the mistake of calling too often, even vs 3 bets.




Just another thing I might mention is that if you take a non standard line because of a read/stat then you should probably mention that when you post the hand, in the hand you posted it doesn't show villains fold to 3bet so we had know way to realise that you're only flatting because of it.

Ok thanks guys. About the sample size, I'm @ 2NL, so getting couple hundred hands on someone is not going to happen often for me (I don't play 8hrs/day). Anyways point about F3Bet at this sample size taken. Thinking about it now, it might have been results oriented thinking abd that's why I didn't 3bet in the first place. Cheers

edit:
I actually do mention it just above the hand

[] Silver star for the first time
[]Get up to 10NL comfortably (take shots at $150BR)
[]Satellite into the WCOOP 01 $109 event

Bankroll starting at $100 - 5NL

[]10NL @ $150
[]25k Hands/Month
[]Maintain Plat star
(Have been playing 10/25nl but had to withdraw quite alot of my BR due to my bloody car!)

I know the players at 2nl are suppose to be terrible, but yikes
first hand at the table

It looks like it's smiling

I can't argue with that. Much better than a frown!

I guess no one wants to stab at my questions though. Grrr

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If no one has answered them by the time I get home I will do so. Takes ages typing on this thing though.

Why?

& Stars obviously. Maybe just work on getting better.

Much appreciated.

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IMO it's more important to make money than it is to worry about 'getting better'. That will naturally come through playing more anyway.

I've no idea why anyone would want to sit at 5nl at Stars and grind tables with 1 semi-fish and 4 nitregs on. That's not a recipe for making anyone better, that's a recipe to get you to hate poker fast. Yeah sure there's probably a few tables on Stars with a couple of fish on, but you have to aggressively table select to get them. On other sites you can literally just open any table you like and be pretty much guaranteed some fish to play against.

Likewise, zoom, rush, snap, zone etc...why ****ing bother? Twice the volume means nothing when all you're doing is grinding rakeback because all you're playing against is other regs. I avoid these tables like the plague unless I come home drunk and fancy degening off some money at 2nl.