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04-20-2015 , 04:28 PM
This happened on Saturday. I was at a 1/2nl 100 buy in table. There was this house player there at the table who was being pretty rude with the dealers, and another player. They were going at it talking smack back and forth, but the house player was able to catch him on flush draws for his chips.

Anyways he was sitting to my left, very aggressive. I was talking to the player on my right as we played together before, and we would show each other our hands here and there. Anyways some drunk guy sits in our table. He orders a bunch of drinks, and he was hammered. He was playing every pot, calling everything, the ideal fish. I had the nuts and got him for his whole stack.

The house player got mad, saying things like, "wtf that's my money, I was here first, I been here all day." He became very rude towards me, saying "what your going to your drug dealer today now that you have money." I did not say anything back. Anyways the drunk guy reloaded for 100 more, and I got him again with the nuts, and before I put him all in the house player started talking, saying hes going to beat you, and so on. The drunk guy did not listen and called. After that the drunk fish got up and went to drink at the bar, and the house player kept on talking smack. Saying that I would never be like him, that if I wanted to be like him it was going to cost me a lot of money.

Anyways he was very insulting, saying I was going to go busto. So as the game went on he raised a pot to 12 dollars. Everyone folded and when it came to me I had A10 Diamonds. I showed the player to my right the hand and folded. He asked the dealer to see my hand, so the dealer showed it to him since I showed it to the player on my right. He saw my hand and he got mad again. Saying why the F. did you not call. Im here to make money, this is bs, he called the floor man and told him that I was showing my cards. He kept on being rude saying that i have to play a10, that I was a degenerate.

The reason I did not call, was because I was avoiding him, unless I had something very strong. He would always cbet big, and I did not want to get my chips in vs him since I know he is a house player. And 12 was a big raise, most raises were between 5-8 at this table. And at that point I was up, so I started playing pretty tight, just limping in, playing very careful.

Anyways, I played too long, somehow all that smack talk got a hold of me. First time ever, I was not able to leave the table. And to fight back, I kept on showing my cards to the player on my right. I was up like 260, I should of gone home, ended the day with 100 profit. Had a few bad beats on the river.

I was shaken up. In my car I was shaking, felt like crying, but I don't cry. It was one of my worst experiences ever, if not the worst. Does this type of stuff happen at the casinos? Any tips on how to deal with rude players. I got sucked in, I should of walked away when I was up.

But yeah, worst day ever in my life.
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04-20-2015 , 04:38 PM
I'm sorry but you need thicker skin

poker is a predatory game, I realize that man was rude and should've treated you better but worse stuff happens in poker tables everyday
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04-20-2015 , 05:17 PM
Don't be a sissy.

The guy is an idiot and you shouldn't pay much, if any, attention to what he says. If he really bothers you try to get him 86'ed by making some cheesy comments once every while to make him go berserk.
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04-20-2015 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
I'm sorry but you need thicker skin

poker is a predatory game, I realize that man was rude and should've treated you better but worse stuff happens in poker tables everyday
This
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04-20-2015 , 05:48 PM
I'm not sure what exactly the rules are at the particular poker room you were in, but most likely he was breaking them in the 2nd hand you had with the drunk fish. It sounds like with action still pending, with the decision on the fish this 'house player' was telling the fish he should fold to you because you had him beat.

If that is what he did he is breaking the one player to a hand rule here, now he's not doing it in the most blatant way possible mind you, but if you call the floor here there is no way they won't at least chew the guy out and give him a verbal warning. Since he is clearly a reg type player he will probably stop as soon as this verbal warning is issued as he doesn't want it to come up again and the 2nd time result in being 86d for 24 hours.

If for some reason the dealer and the floor decide it's totally fine for him to tell the fish what to do in a Heads Up hand he is not involved in, then you should probably consider another casino because their rules sound pretty far out of whack. But if you were inclined to stay in that casino at that table then near as I can tell there is a pretty easy answer as to what you should do.

Give him a taste of his own medicine. Wait for a spot where he is in a hand with another player that you are not involved in at all, and tell his opponent what they should do, if you're not sure what his opponent should do then alternatively you could just goad him, the house player dick I mean. Just give him sh it anytime he is in the middle of making decisions in a hand, jar him, get him off his game. See how he likes it.


In truth though the best thing to do, the absolute best thing to do is be calm, be cool, ride with it, watch him closely, see how he plays, and then just wait. Eventually you will get into a big hand with him, you'll play better in the hand because you are watching the game and thinking about it logically, he is just playing with his ego. Just wait for that one big pot where you get all of his chips, and then make one simple snide remark at him while giving him a quick wink with a big smirk on your face. Make sure the rest of the table hears what you said while you're raking his chips in, and you know what because EVERYONE has seen him being a dick, they will all laugh along with you, and at him. Even the dealer will chuckle and smile a bit I bet you.

Then that guy will have to slink away, all by himself, demoralized and reconsider his life decisions. Or he won't and he'll continue on that way. Either way you'll have his money, and he'll have to keep on living his sad pathetic life day in and day out, trust me there is no way a guy like that is actually happy in life.
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04-20-2015 , 06:16 PM
I would have needled him TBH, someone who is already tilting and angry at you is an easy target to send flying off into the stratosphere. Then just call the floor when he starts screaming or threatening you.

But a real pro would do what ITT666 said, i.e. ignore the silliness while coldly assessing him for weaknesses to exploit.
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04-20-2015 , 06:25 PM
It6666 nailed it perfectly
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04-20-2015 , 08:52 PM
I assume you mean by a "house" player that it is a regular in the room. A prop that starts insulting the dealers and players is going to have a very short career.

As satisfying as it would be to cut him down to size, it isn't worth it and unlikely to succeed. Like arguing with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. You don't spend your days thinking about how to insult people. He does.

The best response is to not respond. He lives for getting a response from people. When he doesn't, you win. If it gets to the point you don't want to deal with him, just leave. If you want, let the floor know why you're leaving and how unlikely it will be that you'll play at a table with the ******* again. It may have no effect, or you could be the 8th player that has told them you're gone because of him and they decide enough is enough.
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04-20-2015 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by W0900418
"what your going to your drug dealer today now that you have money."

"Pffff... $100? That ain't even gonna sort me for the evening, man."

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Anyways the drunk guy reloaded for 100 more, and I got him again with the nuts, and before I put him all in the house player started talking, saying hes going to beat you, and so on.
When the hand is over, firmly state: "Sir, do not speak when you are not in the hand."

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I was shaken up. In my car I was shaking, felt like crying, but I don't cry.
Troll, or home schooled?

If serio, then grow a pair. You'll see all kinds of crazy things.

Here's one:

Old man (70+) and kid get into a pot and this early 20's kid starts needling the old man after the hand. I'm about 20 feet away waiting to be called for my game, and the old man loudly says (they are sitting next to each other), "Shut up. If I hear even so much as a peep out of you I'm going to punch you right in the face. I'm serious." Kid retorts, "Peep... hahah". Old dude gets up and, in a loud cardroom with tons of chips chirping, *CLOCK* so loud the room stopped and so hard he punched him 2 feet out of his chair. Then he proceeded to go down to the floor to check up on his face using his fists.
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04-20-2015 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
I'm sorry but you need thicker skin

poker is a predatory game, I realize that man was rude and should've treated you better but worse stuff happens in poker tables everyday
In this instance the player was going way above and beyond, even trying to influence action in the middle of a hand. My first question is what was the dealer doing? It's his job to stop people talking about a hand whist in progress especially if someone is trying to influence play. Secondly people don't have to put up with being insulted without pause. This isn't a case of needing thicker skin, dealer most definitely should have stepped in at some point.

OP, you are within your rights to request the dealer to ask the gentleman on your left to not try to influence action during a hand, if dealer doesn't act on this then call the floor. You are also within your rights to ask the dealer to request the gentleman on your left to stop insulting you. Having said that, showing cards to your friend on your right is a no no so stop doing it, especially as you are friends.

Yes worse stuff happens at poker tables, I have also seen physical violence threatened for a lot less.
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04-20-2015 , 09:46 PM
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In this instance the player was going way above and beyond, even trying to influence action in the middle of a hand. My first question is what was the dealer doing? It's his job to stop people talking about a hand whist in progress especially if someone is trying to influence play. Secondly people don't have to put up with being insulted without pause. This isn't a case of needing thicker skin, dealer most definitely should have stepped in at some point.

OP, you are within your rights to request the dealer to ask the gentleman on your left to not try to influence action during a hand, if dealer doesn't act on this then call the floor. You are also within your rights to ask the dealer to request the gentleman on your left to stop insulting you. Having said that, showing cards to your friend on your right is a no no so stop doing it, especially as you are friends.

Yes worse stuff happens at poker tables, I have also seen physical violence threatened for a lot less.
Yes we could protect people like op but this isn't grade school, if op is going to act so weak he's just gonna get run over in poker and even life.

I'm assuming op is male and its just failure to act like one. emotional control and assertiveness is important, I'm not saying he should resort to violence or verbal jousting but letting a drunk insult you and then disturb your emotional state to such a point that you want to cry/worst day ever is just unacceptable.

dealers could act better, but hes a clear place where op has things to improve on

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When the hand is over, firmly state: "Sir, do not speak when you are not in the hand."
Yes this is the correct response. I would do it in the middle of the hand, its not the drunk has a gun or ability to hurt to physically.

Its not politically correct to say but if you are a man and you don't know how to calmly be assertive/aggressive and "control your frame" then you deserve to get run over. Its something I'm working on for quite some time because I'm naturally quite passive but if I'm ever in a situation where someone is disrespecting me I don't play victim, I run over the situation and think about the mistakes that I personally made and next time I won't make them.

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04-20-2015 , 09:53 PM
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Yes this is the correct response. I would do it in the middle of the hand, its not the drunk has a gun or ability to hurt to physically.
It was the sober prop player who was telling the drunk player to not call. I wouldn't want to pipe up anything until the hand is over as a response by me would make "too many chefs in the kitchen" and make him consider folding. If this was on the turn, then I'd wait until he's completed his action and then tell the prop to stfu before I go ahead and act on the river.
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04-20-2015 , 09:53 PM
Well I'm no punk, grew up in the hood, moved out at age 16, so I been in a middle class environment since. I do not really deal with rude people besides the few gangster homies from the hood I have. Even then everything is chill, been in a few fights, lost some, won some, but I think what got me here was his trash talk. The guy was pretty smart, and very hurtful with his verbal abuse.

I never once called a floor man about anything, but I feel that I should of thinking about it. And also the thing that got me mad later was, how he was telling me that I have to play A10 Suited. And how was the money I got from the drunk guy his money? I have resentments against that guy now lol. I hope he goes on a loosing streak.

It was a crazy experience for me. But whatever I'll get over it.
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04-20-2015 , 09:58 PM
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Well I'm no punk, grew up in the hood, moved out at age 16, so I been in a middle class environment since. I do not really deal with rude people besides the few gangster homies from the hood I have. Even then everything is chill, been in a few fights, lost some, won some, but I think what got me here was his trash talk. The guy was pretty smart, and very hurtful with his verbal abuse.

I never once called a floor man about anything, but I feel that I should of thinking about it. And also the thing that got me mad later was, how he was telling me that I have to play A10 Suited. And how was the money I got from the drunk guy his money? I have resentments against that guy now lol. I hope he goes on a loosing streak.

It was a crazy experience for me. But whatever I'll get over it.

Lol. Troll confirmed. You be "bangin' with the homies" yet a prop talking smack made you shake inside your car and make you want to cry. Nice one.
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04-20-2015 , 10:27 PM
No I do not bang. I just know them from school before I moved out the hood. We played in the same soccer team, went to the same church, our parents know each other. And the fights I been in have been over dumb stuff. And I'm not a troll bro.
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04-20-2015 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
Here's one:

Old man (70+) and kid get into a pot and this early 20's kid starts needling the old man after the hand. I'm about 20 feet away waiting to be called for my game, and the old man loudly says (they are sitting next to each other), "Shut up. If I hear even so much as a peep out of you I'm going to punch you right in the face. I'm serious." Kid retorts, "Peep... hahah". Old dude gets up and, in a loud cardroom with tons of chips chirping, *CLOCK* so loud the room stopped and so hard he punched him 2 feet out of his chair. Then he proceeded to go down to the floor to check up on his face using his fists.
LOL

Probably not the best way to handle a needle but hilarious.
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04-21-2015 , 12:11 AM
Also a good reason not to get in someones face when you're not happy with something they are doing and instead call the floor. Someone next to you can smack you in the head much faster than the time it takes for security to reach you.
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04-21-2015 , 03:14 PM
The **** are you doing OP...grow a pair! Try to avoid this guy? You should be looking to get involved in pots with this guy and try to stack that tilting fool! If you're that emotionally shaken stop playing poker. Emotions and poker do not mix.
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04-21-2015 , 03:51 PM
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I would have needled him TBH, someone who is already tilting and angry at you is an easy target to send flying off into the stratosphere. Then just call the floor when he starts screaming or threatening you.
The opposite is what happened. He seems like he's doing it purposely to tilt the OP, and it worked.

The OP was (and apparently still is) VERY TILTED.
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04-21-2015 , 04:02 PM
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The opposite is what happened. He seems like he's doing it purposely to tilt the OP, and it worked.

The OP was (and apparently still is) VERY TILTED.
Yes, but from the story as told, it sounds like the 'house player' was highly tilted himself and therefore an easy target if handled properly.
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04-22-2015 , 12:14 AM
^^pretty much what everyone has suggested above....and I'll suggest not showing your cards to your neighbor, friend or not. A lot of people will have an issue with that.
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04-22-2015 , 08:48 AM
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We played in the same soccer team
Your gangsta homies played on the hood soccer team?

This isn't a troll at all, carry on.
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04-22-2015 , 12:28 PM
Try playing with headphones on. It's a much more enjoyable experience, especially if some douche is at your table.
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04-22-2015 , 12:51 PM
That's an atypical experience and definitely on the extreme end including some rule breaking (one person to a hand, etc) by the guy who was giving you a hard time. I'm sorry you had such a bad day. At least you ended in profit though!
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04-23-2015 , 02:53 PM
change tables. leave.

i remember playing at excalibur years ago and some douchebag kept bothering all of us to tilt us... starting hitting on another players' girlfriend, insulted me about my family... i know he was just trying to tilt us...he even said to me, 'what i said made you mad, huh?', blah blah..

just like any bad situation, LEAVE the table, walk away (or casinos, I did that after 2 jerks at mirage started yelling at each other)... "Distance is the best medicine"

that or slow-play a monster, take his chips and make him cry like a girl, lol
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