Im thinking to return at pokerstars , i noticed they have added a zoom 6max plo omaha game and it has the same popularity with nl holdem , zoom was my favorite game in terms of enjoyment but i didnt like nlhe at all , its quite tilting and i hate dealing with psychos and aggressive fishes and having to make very big folds or big calls... , zoom nlhe was also not so profitable compared to regular tables.

I know that omaha has more variance but is it easier to handle and enjoy than nlhe? less bluffing? less crazy and read based play? easier to deal with fish?(are they mostly passive?) less hero folding/calling? less tilting? is it more profitable than nlhe tables?

Also are omaha sngs less complex than nlhe ones strategically? i mean easier to develop a range for x situation and remember it?

I cant find a good cfp program to help me with this game in this forum , anyone can suggest a book or a video series? im noob so im looking for a get go strategy to start play and exploiting players.

Omaha nowadays online even 1c/2c is hard to beat. Back few years ago, I've seen one reg 6 tabling each table acquire around ~5x.00

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No, it's far less popular than nlhe. Right now, there are 924 entries in the $0.01/$0.02 nlhe zoom pool, but just 179 entries in the $0.01/$0.02 plo zoom pool. 655 entries in $0.02/$0.05 nlhe zoom pool, but just 143 entries in the $0.02/$0.05 plo zoom pool. And so on.

At all limits, nlhe is consistently more popular than plo, by quite a margin.

You'll hate omaha then. It's even more tilting than nlhe and you have to make even bigger folds. Regarding zoom and regular tables - same is true for omaha. Why would it be any different?

If you can handle massive downswings (much bigger than anything in nlhe), yes.

More semi-bluffing rather than pure-bluffing. Still plenty of read based play. Fish are more or less the same as nlhe - mostly passive. Lots of hero folding (you will need to make a lot of big folds, a lot bigger than nlhe). A lot more tilting. Profitability - depends how good you are compared to your competition.

No. Just think through what you said for a moment - why would 4 cards be less complex than 2 cards?

runitonce videos maybe? There's not some magical strategy guide you can use to start crushing the game. It seems like you think there is.

I thought Best Poker Coaching had a PLO training course with coaching for profits, but maybe I'm mistaken.

FWIW, I think PLO is a great game, but it's virtually unbeatable for the majority of players on most online sites due to the excessive rake and the narrow edges because of the pre-flop equities running so close. On Pokerstars, I believe that less than 10% of PLO cashgamers are making money pre-rakeback. NLH has a higher proportion of winners. I have no idea of the state of play for Omaha tournaments, sit n gos, or the new Omaha Spin and Gos. Maybe they are a goldmine, but I doubt it.

pot limit omaha omaha is a new one on me

It's 8 cards in the hole but you have to use 4.

Not me - I used to work for the department of redundancy department.

OP, I'm not going to add much that hasn't already been discussed but IMHO PLO is by far the most FUN form of poker there is, and it isn't even close. Is it the most PROFITABLE? Well, as MultiTabling said it depends on whether or not you can consistently find tables full of villains who play worse than you.

If you try PLO and decide you don't like it, I believe it will improve either your NLHE or LHE game when you return to whichever form you play. It will improve your NLHE game by making you basically immune to the swings in NLHE - the swings in PLO make the swings in NLHE look like a playground. It will improve your LHE game by helping you understand just how much profitability there is in pushing small edges and riding out the swings.

I would suggest googling "Tune in, bet pot, cash out" - it's a free e-book that will eliminate the majority of the bad mistakes PLO players make. Jeff Hwang's "Pot Limit Omaha Poker" take TIBPCO to one more level.

Good luck at the tables - I don't play on PokerStars so I don't have to worry about you drawing out on me

Great game to play but almost unbeatable due to the outrageous rake, unless you play mid/high stakes, and relative small edge. Variance is beyond belief too.

If it's rake you're worried about, just play PLO/PLO8 mtts/sngs then. Same rake as the holdem ones, and still a chance at a pretty big edge

NLH can kick your ass. PLO almost always kicks your ass. There are usually a few good players in most rooms. They win almost all the money , almost all the time. That said , I totally agree that it is loads of fun to play if your BR can afford the losses that most players will experience starting out.

BPC more or less cut their PLO program a few weeks ago. BPC gave students the option to A)stop entirely B) continue the contract under the current PLO coach, separate from BPC.

Online poker is dead dude. There is no money in grinding cash games anymore.

If you're looking to have some stupid fun then just go with play money...

if you're a poker/game nerd and like obsessing over stuff just to figure it out then you don't even need to play anymore- there are lots of off the table stuff for that.

the online grind that might still be okish are MTTs. but even then if you were look at your roi... lol you would be making more money studying programming then you would grinding low mtts

Losing money is fun??

Only if you can easily afford it , LOL. However I belive it is possible to have fun while you are losing money sometimes certainly. Like being a Cubs fan till recently. Or trying to win a Teddy Bear at the carnival. Losing money is not the fun part of PLO for me of course, it's the game itself.

so long story short avoid micro/small stakes PLO?

NLHE is still the best way to grind out the bankroll.

no tbh op

the real money is in plo omaha omaha

some of the high stakes regs play

plo omaha omaha omaha but that **** is wild

Microstakes PLO confirmed unbeatable, everyones solid.

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The JNandez youtube content is fairly on point however not really needed until you move up to higher stakes. At PL2 as long as you don't overvalue AAxx on the flop with a largeish SPR and try to only go the distance with nutted type redraws I think I could teach my 95 year old grandmother to beat PL2 online.

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no

Personally I hate plo, but I think the plo spin & gos will probably be a gold mine for some time. Until some training videos are released. I occasionally play them, so you are guranteed at least one fish in the pool

You're posting HHs of 2NL in 2017. Seriously, what the **** do you know about poker? lol. There's no point in grinding poker when there are much better ways to make money.

Then why is online cash game traffic declining year on year and so many pros are looking to get out of poker?

Just because i am not a crusher doesn't mean that there are not tons out there. Not to hard to find them in the PGC threads and that is a pretty small subsection of the people who are beating games. Also, you don't have to be good at poker to know something about it. Kind of silly to think that you have to know how to beat the game in order to be able to look at information and make an opinion about it.

Just because traffic declines doesn't mean poker is dead. You are conflating the two. Is it harder? Of course. Is it unbeatable? Hardly.

Is that Phil Ivey's twin brother in your avatar?

PLO is worth it just because it's such a fun game. What other game can you get it in with top set and still be behind on the flop?

Also cash games get super reg heavy at 50+ NL on certain sites.