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Old 06-16-2008, 06:45 AM   #151
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I'm pretty dumb myself, but my take:

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1) What is the difference other then the obvious?
Somewhat obviously, in 6max you play a much higher percentage of your hands, and need to be more aggressive, than in Full Ring. But people at 6max tend to be even yet looser and more aggressive than this difference alone would dictate. Because of this, at least before the rake a player who knows what he is doing is likely to have a higher ptbb/100 potential against the same level of opposition than in FR, because there is a higher potential for their opponents to make mistakes. On stakes below 50NL however, rake eats into your profits so hard that FR may become more profitable for this reason, due to there being less marginal situations. Variance is higher in 6max than in FR. More hands per hour per table.

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2) Why do players chose one over the other as a preference?
As said, 6max has more action by nature, so people who love action will probably prefer it to FR. I assume this means most people. It's boring to fold. People who have more of a careful and preserving nature might prefer full ring.

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3) Which is more popular and why?
I'm not too sure, but online, at 50NL and up, 6max seems to be teh ****. People hate folding and waiting for the nuts. People love bluffing, check-raising, and shoving allin. 6max has a much higher natural expectation for the latter. However, most televised poker seems to be full ring, which might be more of a reason for popularity of full ring, but this probably only for tournaments and not cash games. At the bottom stakes however, where the rake is only pennies, as well as perhaps live, where the service is much more expensive, full ring flourishes mostly because of rake reasons.

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4) What types of skills is necessary to play both well?
Uhh, all the skills that are necessary to play any kind of poker? 6max and FR are not that different principally, for an example being UTG in 6max with timid players is almost like being UTG+4 in FR, everyone having folded to you. It's the specifics that are different. People tend to love action more in 6max than in FR. You need to play more hands in FR. But the skills are the same.

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5) Which is more suited to beginners?
My intuitive answer is that FR is more suitable, because the decisions tend to be somewhat more simple. However, funwise, it is also somewhat less exciting. And if you're serious with poker, you should start with whatever is your goal as a poker player, and 6max is likely to be a better goal, due to there being much more action going on at the higher stakes.

Don't quote me on anything.
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Old 06-16-2008, 02:23 PM   #152
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With the stars vip program, say I'm gold star this month and buy and clear the bonus. Then next month I make platinum and buy and clear that bonus too. (both bonuses cleared in the same month they were bought). Now the month after I drop back down to gold star. Can I buy that bonus again and clear it? Is there a limit of bonuses you can buy from the store?
You can buy any item (including bonuses) from the store that you have the required VIP level for. Doesn't matter what VIP level you had in the past or will have in the future. If you're currently Gold you can buy the Gold bonus. If you're currently Platinum you can buy the Platinum bonus.

There's no limit on the number of bonuses (or anything else) you can buy from the store. And bonuses stack if you buy multiples.

So, for example, if you were Gold for six months straight, saved up all your FPP and then really pushed and became Platinum for one month. You could buy several of the Platinum bonuses, stacking them if need be, and then drop back to Gold the next month.

The only caveat is that you have a limited time to clear bonuses (90 days) so don't stack so many bonuses that you won't be able to clear them all before they expire.


(Stacking bonuses means having several bonuses to clear in a row. You can only clear one bonus at a time, but you can have several waiting to go. As each one finishes, the next one activates right away).

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Can one of you give me some in sight to my questions, please don't make my girlfriend beg?
Try this thread:

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...fpart=all&vc=1
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Old 06-16-2008, 02:26 PM   #153
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However, most televised poker seems to be full ring, which might be more of a reason for popularity of full ring, but this probably only for tournaments and not cash games.
There's basically no such thing as live 6-max games.

(There are some rare exceptions like tv events and some WSOP events, but 99% of live games, cash and tournament, are 9 or 10 handed. By live, I mean casino, home games can be all over the place.)

Online, 6-max is far more popular than full ring.
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Old 06-16-2008, 02:50 PM   #154
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Reading through some threads in the NL Cash Games section, there are a lot of numberic references to unknown players i.e. I was playing against a "15/11 player" or more specifically a "15/11//2.2 player" OR I was playing against a "45/11 player"

what are the numbers referrring to?

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Old 06-16-2008, 02:52 PM   #155
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Reading through some threads in the NL Cash Games section, there are a lot of numberic references to unknown players i.e. I was playing against a "15/11 player" or more specifically a "15/11//2.2 player" OR I was playing against a "45/11 player"
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Old 06-16-2008, 02:56 PM   #156
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Cry, have an answer for my question that I summarized ?
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Old 06-16-2008, 04:01 PM   #157
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There was a thread recently in Internet Gambling (I think - Just searched and couldn't find it) where someone had had his account suspended for impersonating a site administrator and convincing someone to post their phone number in chat (or something like that - I think the site misinterpreted what had happened). In my 5 years of online poker, that's the only time I've ever heard of anything other than chat bans arising from anything in chat.

Spamming in chat used to be a much bigger problem than it is now, it's very possible that spam could result in more than a chat ban, but we'd probly never hear about it...
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Old 06-16-2008, 08:23 PM   #158
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Cry, have an answer for my question that I summarized ?
Well, I don't know exactly what FTP's chat policy's are. That's why I suggested you send support an email and ask them about it. However, I know they will hand out chat bans to repeat offenders (people that cuss out and berate other players). I'm sure they could ban your account if you're a very bad offender, but they're not in the business of banning people from playing on their site, so I'm sure it would have to be a very bad offence for them to go that far.

Something like directly threating violence (like saying, "I know where you live and am going to kill you.") or posting personal information of another player repeatedly might convince them that they don't want you playing on their site. But they most likely will just ban your chat.

Also, they will likely do nothing unless the incident was reported to them. I'm fairly certain they don't sit around monitoring the chat at all their poker tables.

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Old 06-16-2008, 10:05 PM   #159
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How come when I win the hand at showdown it shows that other players muck but it almost never lets me see their cards?
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Old 06-16-2008, 10:39 PM   #160
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Because that's the rule. They only have to show if they have a better hand.

If you check the hand history on most sites you'll see what they mucked at showdown.
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Old 06-16-2008, 10:59 PM   #161
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BIG V,

Thanks for coming through, and you gave me the long version. Man that hit the spot.
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Old 06-17-2008, 12:08 AM   #162
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If you check the hand history on most sites you'll see what they mucked at showdown.
What do you mean?
I just checked and it didn't show.
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Old 06-17-2008, 12:30 AM   #163
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Look at the bottom of the hand history. It must be a hand that went to showdown, you were dealt in, and players mucked at showdown.

Post the hand.
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:06 AM   #164
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PokerStars Game #18189356091: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/06/16 - 23:54:55 (ET)
Table 'Golson II' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: paul krugman ($1.20 in chips)
Seat 2: oakrob ($0.48 in chips)
Seat 3: R. Kaye ($1.58 in chips)
Seat 4: chipstar1 ($5.15 in chips)
Seat 5: bigDeeOT ($5.29 in chips)
Seat 6: molsonex75 ($9.07 in chips)
Seat 7: Texas Oak ($11.86 in chips)
Seat 8: moelane5 ($5.90 in chips)
Seat 9: Financegurl1 ($0.35 in chips)
chipstar1: posts small blind $0.01
bigDeeOT: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bigDeeOT [3c 3s]
molsonex75: folds
Texas Oak: calls $0.02
moelane5: folds
Financegurl1: calls $0.02
paul krugman: calls $0.02
oakrob: folds
R. Kaye: calls $0.02
chipstar1: folds
bigDeeOT: checks
*** FLOP *** [7d 3d 9h]
bigDeeOT: bets $0.10
Texas Oak: folds
Financegurl1: folds
paul krugman: folds
R. Kaye: calls $0.10
*** TURN *** [7d 3d 9h] [2c]
Financegurl1 leaves the table
bigDeeOT: bets $0.32
R. Kaye: calls $0.32
*** RIVER *** [7d 3d 9h 2c] [5h]
bigDeeOT: bets $0.90
R. Kaye: calls $0.90
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bigDeeOT: shows [3c 3s] (three of a kind, Threes)
R. Kaye: mucks hand
bigDeeOT collected $2.65 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.75 | Rake $0.10
Board [7d 3d 9h 2c 5h]
Seat 1: paul krugman folded on the Flop
Seat 2: oakrob folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: R. Kaye (button) mucked [9d Qd]
Seat 4: chipstar1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: bigDeeOT (big blind) showed [3c 3s] and won ($2.65) with three of a kind, Threes
Seat 6: molsonex75 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Texas Oak folded on the Flop
Seat 8: moelane5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Financegurl1 folded on the Flop

Oh now I see, so it's in the summary? If it's in the hand history, why doesn't it just show it on the table?
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:13 AM   #165
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PokerStars Game #18189356091: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/06/16 - 23:54:55 (ET)
Table 'Golson II' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: paul krugman ($1.20 in chips)
Seat 2: oakrob ($0.48 in chips)
Seat 3: R. Kaye ($1.58 in chips)
Seat 4: chipstar1 ($5.15 in chips)
Seat 5: bigDeeOT ($5.29 in chips)
Seat 6: molsonex75 ($9.07 in chips)
Seat 7: Texas Oak ($11.86 in chips)
Seat 8: moelane5 ($5.90 in chips)
Seat 9: Financegurl1 ($0.35 in chips)
chipstar1: posts small blind $0.01
bigDeeOT: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bigDeeOT [3c 3s]
molsonex75: folds
Texas Oak: calls $0.02
moelane5: folds
Financegurl1: calls $0.02
paul krugman: calls $0.02
oakrob: folds
R. Kaye: calls $0.02
chipstar1: folds
bigDeeOT: checks
*** FLOP *** [7d 3d 9h]
bigDeeOT: bets $0.10
Texas Oak: folds
Financegurl1: folds
paul krugman: folds
R. Kaye: calls $0.10
*** TURN *** [7d 3d 9h] [2c]
Financegurl1 leaves the table
bigDeeOT: bets $0.32
R. Kaye: calls $0.32
*** RIVER *** [7d 3d 9h 2c] [5h]
bigDeeOT: bets $0.90
R. Kaye: calls $0.90
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bigDeeOT: shows [3c 3s] (three of a kind, Threes)
R. Kaye: mucks hand
bigDeeOT collected $2.65 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.75 | Rake $0.10
Board [7d 3d 9h 2c 5h]
Seat 1: paul krugman folded on the Flop
Seat 2: oakrob folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: R. Kaye (button) mucked [9d Qd]
Seat 4: chipstar1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: bigDeeOT (big blind) showed [3c 3s] and won ($2.65) with three of a kind, Threes
Seat 6: molsonex75 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Texas Oak folded on the Flop
Seat 8: moelane5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Financegurl1 folded on the Flop

Oh now I see, so it's in the summary? If it's in the hand history, why doesn't it just show it on the table?
You can see it on the table with a HUD (head up display). This is just another reason to get a HUD--you get to see mucked hands and can take much better notes on things like what certain players threebet/cap/coldcall with preflop, what they take to showdown, what they donk with, and whether they're prone to bet/raise draws or weakish hands.

Keep in mind that you need to have a database like PT2 or PT3 or Hold Em manager to make a HUD work, tho AFAIK.
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:34 AM   #166
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Oh now I see, so it's in the summary?
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If it's in the hand history, why doesn't it just show it on the table?
At a live poker table you don't get to see mucked cards. It's only there online as an anti-collusion measure. So to make it more like live, they make you look in the hand history. HUD's are a later invention that makes this easier.
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:35 AM   #167
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Is that ethical?
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:40 AM   #168
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At a live poker table you don't get to see mucked cards. It's only there online as an anti-collusion measure. So to make it more like live, they make you look in the hand history. HUD's are a later invention that makes this easier.
I'm not sure I understand this.

So if another player shows his hand before I do at showdown, will it show me what he had or will it make me check the hand history?
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:48 AM   #169
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It will show you the hand.

This only applies to mucked hands at showdown. Nothing else. (All hands shown down or mucked at showdown are shown in the summary).

Yes, it's ethical. The information is available to everyone in the hand.



Mucked hands at showdown are not shown automatically to replicate live poker. However, as a check against collusion they are included in the hand history so if you have suspicions about someone's play you can go back and check. Years later, when HUDs were developed someone decided it would be nice to include a feature in their HUD to automatically show those mucked hands.




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Old 06-17-2008, 01:50 AM   #170
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I'm not sure I understand this.

So if another player shows his hand before I do at showdown, will it show me what he had or will it make me check the hand history?

Any hand that makes it to showdown will be viewable in the hand history.

If a player shows a hand (even if folded) it will be viewable in the hand history.

If a player shows a hand, the cards will also flip up on the table.
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So right below everyone's name theres either: stranger, newbie, enthusiast, grinder, pooh-bah, old hand, carpal \'tunnel, or some other ****** saying. what is this? is it related to the # of posts u've made? or how long u've been a member? plz explain or link me to explanation.
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Old 06-17-2008, 12:18 PM   #172
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Scroll up the page you are looking at right now, yes, this page, hit FAQ on the bluish-greenish-gray strip.

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Everyone has a title that is displayed under their name. Some are automatically assigned based on the number of posts a user has made, while others are given by the site to denote official representatives or other VIPs.

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Ok so i was multitabling earlier on today and i managed to do the dumbest thing and im wondering if anyone else has done it.

Had 4 tables on my screen in each of the four quadrants. Now what happened next was quite insane on my part, i called an allin for a flop on a table which my hole cards were on another and obviously lost.

I wasnt miffed by this as it was a genuine mistake but i had to giggle at myself.

Was this a 1 on a million or is this quite common for multitablers?
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A few days ago while 9-tabling I found myself with pocket sevens on one table, and pocket eights on the other. I didn't get action going on with the eights, but on the table where I had sevens, I hit the set and someone started calling me down on a Q-high rainbow flop. I put him on a pair of queens with good kicker, and knew he was goin to call me down, so I just potted and it lead to an easy allin on the river. I then noticed that the chips moved to him. Okay what the **** is going on, I'm like "did I miss a queen on the board?? oh wait that would've given me a full house.." I scan the board for possible straights (all of this in 1 second, obviously), then I finally look at my own cards and realise I have a meager pair of eights.

Burst out laughing on that one ^_^ Only mistake of this kind, though occasionally due to overlap I minraise people : P
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Ok so i was multitabling earlier on today and i managed to do the dumbest thing and im wondering if anyone else has done it.

Had 4 tables on my screen in each of the four quadrants. Now what happened next was quite insane on my part, i called an allin for a flop on a table which my hole cards were on another and obviously lost.

I wasnt miffed by this as it was a genuine mistake but i had to giggle at myself.

Was this a 1 on a million or is this quite common for multitablers?
I do it here and there. It's usually my sign that it's time for a break. Sometimes it works well, and you end up with a better hand than you thought.
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