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12-26-2014 , 05:55 AM
Sounds to me like I explained what he misunderstands just fine.
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12-26-2014 , 08:36 AM
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Sounds to me like I explained what he misunderstands just fine.
Odds of it hitting on turn
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Odds of it not hitting on the turn and then it hitting on the river


ok so,

19.1%
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80.9% and then 19.6%


i truly dont understand that. please help, i really want to improve my game.
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12-26-2014 , 09:06 AM
If you count the times it hits on the turn AND the river you're counting runouts which are essentially irrelevant to you.
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12-26-2014 , 09:36 AM
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If you count the times it hits on the turn AND the river you're counting runouts which are essentially irrelevant to you.
right but if its nut flush i still win regardless if two come out. right? so why would that matter?
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12-26-2014 , 10:37 AM
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9 outs for flush - 19.1% on the turn - 19.6% to hit on river -

and 35% chance for hitting on turn or river


It should be 38.7%
No, you can't just add odds for discrete events like that. This is similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations.

Let's play a game. We flip a coin twice. If it comes up heads on either of those flips, you win.

What are your chances of winning?

Based on your math, the chance is:

Heads on first flip: 50%
Heads on second flip: 50%

50%+50%=100%

So you win this every time? If you flip a coin twice, it's really going to come up heads, at least once, every time?

What about when the first flip is tail and then the second flip is tails?

So how do you really figure this out?

You count the number of possible results and divide that into the number of winning results:

Result 1: Flip 1: Heads Flip 2: Heads
Result 2: Flip 1: Heads Flip 2: Tails
Result 3: Flip 1: Tails Flip 2: Heads
Result 4: Flip 1: Tails Flip 2: Tails

So there are 4 possible results when flipping two coins. Of those four results, all but result #4 has at least one coin coming up heads. So there are 3 winning combinations. 3/4=75%

The chance of flipping two coins and at least one coming up heads is 75%.

We didn't "lose" 25% of our chance here, just like you didn't "lose" 3.7% of your chance. It never existed. It was artificially inflated because you're doing the math wrong.
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12-26-2014 , 11:06 AM
Even better:

If you flip three coins, what are the chances at least one of them comes up heads?

According to your logic, it's:

50%+50%+50%=150%

There's a 150% chance of getting at least one head. What does that even mean?
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12-26-2014 , 11:06 AM
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right but if its nut flush i still win regardless if two come out. right? so why would that matter?
Because you're counting those occurrences twice.
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12-26-2014 , 04:18 PM
Hi,
I am new here and I am not sure if I am posting at the right forum. I have a question regarding the poker math. Here it says 56-suited is the strongest hand against pocket aces in a heads-up match. Does anybody have any explanation for this?
Thanks,
Dan
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12-26-2014 , 04:47 PM
Not true, AA is the strongest hand against AA.

65s is presumably because 432 makes a straight. 32A for 54 doesn't work as often because some of the aces are missing.

The odds for 76s, 87s and 98s will be the same, but T9s will be worse because KQJ will have a shot at a better straight with AA.
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12-26-2014 , 05:16 PM
a friend of mine wants me to go to san francisco with them, do they have any poker rooms there, if so whats the name of them and are they on the bravo app?
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12-26-2014 , 05:23 PM
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Not true, AA is the strongest hand against AA.

65s is presumably because 432 makes a straight. 32A for 54 doesn't work as often because some of the aces are missing.

The odds for 76s, 87s and 98s will be the same, but T9s will be worse because KQJ will have a shot at a better straight with AA.
Thank you. Apparently, it says 56s is the strongest hand ignoring AA as mentioned here:

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Surprisingly, ignoring the case your opponent is also holding pocket aces - which results splitting the pot %95.65 of the time -, the strongest hand against pocket aces is 56 suited (where suits are different from the suits of the aces).
So if I understood correctly, the point is that 65s, 76s, 87s and 98s can make a straight without letting AA to make a better straight and they can also make a flush because they are suited. Am I right?
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12-26-2014 , 08:57 PM
Is this strategy normally legal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkxcBy6js7s
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12-27-2014 , 12:32 AM
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Is this strategy normally legal?
No, floor man handled it very well though. Arguably could have issued a penalty or at least a warning.
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12-27-2014 , 05:06 AM
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Thank you. Apparently, it says 56s is the strongest hand ignoring AA as mentioned here:



So if I understood correctly, the point is that 65s, 76s, 87s and 98s can make a straight without letting AA to make a better straight and they can also make a flush because they are suited. Am I right?
Yeh, but I didn't think it through properly - 87s can make a straight with JT9, but if the other two board cards are KQ then AA has a better straight still. So 65s and 76s should be the same, 87 slightly worse.
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12-27-2014 , 05:25 AM
Great, thank you!
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12-28-2014 , 09:51 AM
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No, you can't just add odds for discrete events like that. This is similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations.

Let's play a game. We flip a coin twice. If it comes up heads on either of those flips, you win.

What are your chances of winning?

Based on your math, the chance is:

Heads on first flip: 50%
Heads on second flip: 50%

50%+50%=100%

So you win this every time? If you flip a coin twice, it's really going to come up heads, at least once, every time?

What about when the first flip is tail and then the second flip is tails?

So how do you really figure this out?

You count the number of possible results and divide that into the number of winning results:

Result 1: Flip 1: Heads Flip 2: Heads
Result 2: Flip 1: Heads Flip 2: Tails
Result 3: Flip 1: Tails Flip 2: Heads
Result 4: Flip 1: Tails Flip 2: Tails

So there are 4 possible results when flipping two coins. Of those four results, all but result #4 has at least one coin coming up heads. So there are 3 winning combinations. 3/4=75%

The chance of flipping two coins and at least one coming up heads is 75%.

We didn't "lose" 25% of our chance here, just like you didn't "lose" 3.7% of your chance. It never existed. It was artificially inflated because you're doing the math wrong.
Ty mate, i really appreciate you taking the time to answer me in a way i can understand. Im going to modify my math and hopefully stop being a break even player and become a winning player.
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12-28-2014 , 12:42 PM
Hmm, I just noticed his name, I shouldn't have been useful.
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12-30-2014 , 07:25 AM
What would be an achievable target for ROI and ITM in the $0.50 9-man SNGs on pokerstars? And if this target was say 20% ROI and achieved over a 500 game sample, would it be better to move to $1.50 9-man SNGs or $0.50 45/90/180/360-man SNGs?
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01-02-2015 , 03:34 PM
I am having trouble with my PT3 hud on Pstars. On Pstars my preferred seating options for 10/9 man tables are in seat 5 (counting right from the dealer cage on the table). I also have the option ticked to always auto-center. I set my PT3 for 9 handed table seat 5 but the problem is my hud never recognizes players in the right positions. I've tried all the settings (Seats 1-9/No preference in PT3 for 9 handed tables) but it never gets it correctly. Is there any way to get the hud working right with auto-center checked in Pstars?
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01-03-2015 , 02:39 PM
I want to get back into poker but I don't want to make the same mistakes as I did my last try. What's a good amount to deposit online if I'm looking to start a new bankroll? I want to get a good feel for the game again, so I'm looking to play micros to small stakes. Any help would be very appreciated.
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01-03-2015 , 10:16 PM
What does M# mean? thx
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01-03-2015 , 10:30 PM
Also what is RFI%?
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01-03-2015 , 10:41 PM
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What does M# mean? thx
http://forums.holdemmanager.com/mana...-question.html

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Also what is RFI%?
http://forums.holdemmanager.com/gene...means-rfi.html

*P.S. to mods, not trying to spam our/HM forums but those were the first google hits for 'tourney m stat' and 'rfi stat'
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01-04-2015 , 06:57 PM
thx fozzy. Another Q:

Carbon Poker has this hand replayer:

http://www.carbonpoker.ag/poker-odds...guide.html#5.1

However when I copy a hand to my clipboard and try to convert using the hand converter on here, it doesn't work. Anyone else have this problem? Should I contact Carbon? Am I ultimately just going to have to purchase HEM to be able to convert hands?
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01-04-2015 , 07:05 PM
Assuming that copies the hand in native xml format it is a known bug with the 2+2 converter here since Merge changed their HH format last summer. We have plans to fix the converter but it is part of a larger project to unify our parsing code across all our services so they can all be updated together so it will take some time to implement.

If you had HM2 or PT4 you could copy the hands from their hand viewers in a 2+2 friendly format like this:

    Merge, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $3.76 (94 bb)
    BB: $4.57 (114.3 bb)
    UTG+2: $5.80 (145 bb)
    MP1: $5.33 (133.3 bb)
    Hero (MP2): $3.96 (99 bb)
    MP3: $5.37 (134.3 bb)
    CO: $3.76 (94 bb)
    BTN: $3.92 (98 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A Q
    UTG+2 raises to $0.14, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $0.36, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.36, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.22

    Flop: ($1.14) 4 4 4 (3 players)
    UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

    Turn: ($1.14) Q (3 players)
    UTG+2 bets $0.52, Hero calls $0.52, BTN folds

    River: ($2.18) 9 (2 players)
    UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $2.18, UTG+2 folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $2.18 pot ($0.10 rake)
    Final Board: 4 4 4 Q 9
    UTG+2 mucked and lost (-$0.88 net)
    Hero mucked A Q and won $2.08 ($1.20 net)
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