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Old 10-06-2011, 03:39 PM   #7456
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Split Suit...the VERY first Concept of the Week thread had a link to this video.

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Old 10-06-2011, 08:30 PM   #7457
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Well this is a dumb question thread so here it comes:

Why can't I PM yet. Think Ive been around the forum enough to proove Im not a bot :P
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Old 10-06-2011, 09:21 PM   #7458
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Your honor, I rest my case.
Gimme a break, KS. I mean, this *is* the 'Official Dumb Questions' Thread so why can't you just answer w/o insults? Obviously I'm asking as per my original ques below.


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Why do some ppl say that they are "breakeven" players: you're either winning or losing, unless your score=exactly $0. If "breakeven" actually means a small losing player, what do ppl usu put that range in - w/i $1,000? $5,000?
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Obviously most usages of "break-even" is short for "about break-even".
Sure, which goes back to my original ques as highlighted above.
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Old 10-06-2011, 10:08 PM   #7459
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Old 10-07-2011, 12:37 AM   #7460
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I am a break even player dp. I have also made several thousand dollars playing online poker. The reason I am a breakeven player in my eyes is because I have played ~2 million hands. In fact without rakeback... I think I would be a slight loser at the tables...while other people (you) will say I have to be a winner since I have (after the dust has settled) more money than I started with.

You ARE being a NIT when you say that it has to be precisely zero loss/gain.

"what do ppl usu put that range in - w/i $1,000? $5,000?" does not make sense. Would you clarify please.

I get the strong feeling that the actual answer to your question is "It depends"
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Old 10-07-2011, 11:13 AM   #7461
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I am a break even player dp. I have also made several thousand dollars playing online poker. The reason I am a breakeven player in my eyes is because I have played ~2 million hands. In fact without rakeback... I think I would be a slight loser at the tables...while other people (you) will say I have to be a winner since I have (after the dust has settled) more money than I started with.

You ARE being a NIT when you say that it has to be precisely zero loss/gain.

"what do ppl usu put that range in - w/i $1,000? $5,000?" does not make sense. Would you clarify please.

I get the strong feeling that the actual answer to your question is "It depends"
LOL, I thought that being a nit meant playing super-tight, not asking 'silly' ques in this *dumb* thread. Maybe you're being sensitive because of something else, who knows. Anyway, even in my 1st post I already clarified and asked what would be the acceptable range below 0 to be considered b/e.

All I wanted to know is what is considered a b/e player, because obviously if you were a winner (i.e. above 0), you'd just say it w/o qualification. Conversely, if you were always down, then it's stupid to say you're a b/e player when you've never gone back above 0. However, I wanted to know even though one is technically a losing player (i.e. below 0), would it be acceptable to be called a b/e player if he is w/i a certain range from below 0...obviously if he's always, say, $100,000, below 0, then he should be a losing player and can't honestly label himself as b/e. I suppose the gap from below 0 should be closer....$1,000? $5,000? Who knows? That's why I'm asking. If he's alternating above and below 0, then that is a valid claim for being a b/e player.

There's nothing 'nitty' about my asking this ques, but if the topic is too touchy, then that's another issue.

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Old 10-07-2011, 11:27 AM   #7463
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Thx if you're giving me the ans to 'rakeback'.
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Old 10-07-2011, 11:32 AM   #7464
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Try section 38.13
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Old 10-07-2011, 11:34 AM   #7465
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Boo on you then. I'm definitely not a nit, seems like others just don't like to be labeled losing players, so they invent this term of b/e player.

LOL, c'mon, I'm just trying to learn. My big post above shows this...what is considered a b/e player?
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Old 10-07-2011, 12:03 PM   #7466
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Boo on you then. I'm definitely not a nit,
"A person who is overly concerned with rules and precision."

I should probably add "Inflexible" to that definition.

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what is considered a b/e player?
"A player who runs close to/around break-even." High volume players who play break-even make their money from rakeback/promotions/vip.

That's it. That's your answer. We're talking about colloquial language. There often are not hard and fast definitions. The only people who insist on such absolutes are... nits.

Winning player = Player who's results are positive $.
Losing player = Player who's results are negative $.
Break-even player = Player who's results are close to 0
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Old 10-07-2011, 12:14 PM   #7467
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CMAR already answered.... "around breakeven" is the answer.

So I would like to ask you something. Am I a breakeven player with a marginal winrate of less than 1ptbb/100 over 2 million hands? We all seem to feel I am breakeven, but you are saying I'm a winning player?

Perhaps you should look at ±1ptbb/100 as being the range. Or you can look at 0ptbb/100 hands. I really don't care. My argument was your wording that said 0ptbb/100 was the only possible answer.
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Old 10-07-2011, 12:20 PM   #7468
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We all seem to feel I am breakeven, but you are saying I'm a winning player?
IMO, you can be both winning and break-even. As well as losing and break-even. But the distinction is largely moot/academic/nitty.

If someone is +$50 or -$50 after a million hands of $25NL does it make any difference? Not really and the difference is just pissing contest.
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Old 10-07-2011, 12:27 PM   #7469
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Perhaps you should look at ±1ptbb/100 as being the range.
BTW - I'm not sure I agree with this. 1 ptb/100 at $1KNL is very different from 1 ptb/100 at 5NL. I'm not sure what high stakes win rates look like these days, but I expect 1 ptb/100 at nosebleeds is pretty respectable.
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Old 10-07-2011, 12:37 PM   #7470
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I (used to) play 100 and 200NL...then tilt if off at 600 and 1K... lol
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