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08-14-2009 , 07:28 PM
If I just played 80 hands of NL100 6max with a guy who won 44% of them and W$SD 84%, got a grade of D for river aggression (44% too aggressive) and 130% too loose preflop from PTR and has won 32bb/100 over 650 hands in the last 3 days (total poker career), should I post some hands that I played with him and if I do, where?
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08-14-2009 , 09:20 PM
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should I post some hands that I played with him
Sure, if you think you played them badly or have questions on how to play them better. That's what the forums are for.

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and if I do, where?
Small Stakes PL/NL
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08-15-2009 , 07:24 PM
Does the bonus ftp you get from happy hour count towards the $100 big bonus promotion they have going on right now? I tried looking on their site but couldn't find anything. Thanks!
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08-15-2009 , 08:33 PM
Hi all, first time poster.

A little about me: I started playing poker about 3 years ago. I lost ~$250 (deposited $100, got $150 signup bonuses) at FT, then switched to PS. At PS, I got a free $5 to try the cash tables and have parlayed that into ~$1k. My rough sharkscope stats are:
2.2k SNG's played
9% ROI (Should be closer to 12% though, several wins are missing.)
90% $5 and under tables.
~$300 in tourney wins, ~$200 in SNG wins not recorded.

Here's my dumb questions:
1. My main weakness is the inverse tilt. When I fold the nuts (even though it's a garbage hand like 82), I loosen up too much. How can you avoid this?

example: Just now, I folded AA when 3 hearts came on the flop. The winner had 77, no flushes. Then, 5 hands later, I get AA, and go all in on with a board of 55J. Sure enough, the BB turns over J5.


2. I noticed in my stats that usually Pots Won at Showdown(Sh) > Pots won without showdown (Wo). If I place in the top 3, usually my stats are Wo > Sh (before HU. HU inflates the Wo exponentially.) I noticed that Annette_15's success is mainly through superior preflop/postflop play to increase Wo. However, it seems I can never consistently do this. Any tips?

3. I have improved my game tremendously after reading Harrington's books and applying Zone Theory. How much improvement could I see if I apply EV?

4. I play mainly the micros and $1 sng's, and have had the hardest time moving up. How can I improve my play at higher limits?

5. I am having ridiculous swings, even though I am careful with bankroll management. When I'm losing, two pair or trips isn't enough, when I'm winning, high card is enough. If, for example, I normally cash about 3 out of 10 games, what kind of swing should I be expecting? Just now, I had a run of 40 games without a cash, and then a 3rd and 7th cash (out of 360), giving me nearly a perfect 10% roi over those 40 games.

6. What is better, multi-tabling or higher stakes tables?

7. I'm looking for a part-time job, preferably as a referral affiliate for a sportsbook. How's Bodog.com? Would you recommend another sportsbook?

8. I notice that a lot of other players are PS use multiple accounts, I'm assuming to help them vs tracker users. Should I be doing this too?

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08-15-2009 , 09:29 PM
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8. I notice that a lot of other players are PS use multiple accounts,
No.

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Should I be doing this too?
No.
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08-15-2009 , 10:53 PM
If I want to talk about MT SNG's, which would be the appropriate forum?
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08-15-2009 , 11:17 PM
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1. My main weakness is the inverse tilt. When I fold the nuts (even though it's a garbage hand like 82), I loosen up too much. How can you avoid this?
play more hands. you get used to seeing everything, and you won't even notice anymore when the flop comes 882.



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example: Just now, I folded AA when 3 hearts came on the flop. The winner had 77, no flushes. Then, 5 hands later, I get AA, and go all in on with a board of 55J. Sure enough, the BB turns over J5.

Concentrate on making the best decision all the time, not the result. Folding AA on a monochrome flop, or stacking off with AA on a 55J flop might not be playing well. Those might be completely correct plays, too, depending on the situation. You won't win every hand, even if you play perfectly.

A lot of poker is learning how to manage the action-result conditioning system in your brain. Your normal learning system wants to understand in terms of "never fold AA" or "fold AA on scary flops", but the game is more complex than that. Fortunately, most of your opponents don't realize this.


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2. I noticed in my stats that usually Pots Won at Showdown(Sh) > Pots won without showdown (Wo). If I place in the top 3, usually my stats are Wo > Sh
these statistics are "noisy". Until you have a lot of hands to compare, they will fluctuate all over the place, and not teach you much.

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I noticed that Annette_15's success is mainly through superior preflop/postflop play to increase Wo. However, it seems I can never consistently do this. Any tips?
even with a lot of hands, the statistics won't tell you much. They are mostly a function of how your opponents play, and what that forces you to do to exploit them. Against loose-passive opponents, your won with showdown will tend to be higher than won w/o showdown. These opponents call with weak cards, so you exploit them by taking stronger hands to showdown. If you try to get them to fold, you'll be disappointed too often. Just take the money the easy way.


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3. I have improved my game tremendously after reading Harrington's books and applying Zone Theory. How much improvement could I see if I apply EV?
A lot. EV is fundamental to poker. And life, for that matter. Learn it as soon as possible, and profit from the rest of your time on earth.


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When I'm losing, two pair or trips isn't enough, when I'm winning, high card is enough. If, for example, I normally cash about 3 out of 10 games, what kind of swing should I be expecting? Just now, I had a run of 40 games without a cash, and then a 3rd and 7th cash (out of 360), giving me nearly a perfect 10% roi over those 40 games.
again, you're trying to tie your actions to your results. This will only be true in the long term. Poker is absolutely designed to confuse you this way. When you're catching cards, you'll win. When a donkey is catching cards, he'll win. The difference is not so much that you steal wins from the donkey, as that you win bigger pots or lose smaller ones than he does when the cards are reversed. This will add up to a few extra tournament wins here and there, or a slightly better finish sometimes. This is why a good player only wins a 10% ROI. If you average that over hundreds of tourneys, be happy. If there are stretches of ugh in there, that's normal.

be prepared to run really bad for longer than you think is possible. aim to suck the marrow out when you are running good.


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6. What is better, multi-tabling or higher stakes tables?
higher stakes will challenge you to get better more quickly. multi-tabling is it's own skill, with the goal of improving your hourly rate while keeping variance low. multi-tabling is better if you are happy with the levels you can beat while multitabling, and just want to grind profit out. For somebody trying to improve, moving up aggressively is important, although there is an argument to be made for multi-tabling at the same time, so it's not a new skill you try to develop later.



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8. I notice that a lot of other players are PS use multiple accounts, I'm assuming to help them vs tracker users. Should I be doing this too?
absolutely not. If you get caught by the site (which is more likely than you think), they can confiscate all your money. I doubt there are many players doing this, actually. There are much more nefarious reasons to multiaccount than dodging trackers, so the sites are going to aggressively pursue anybody multi-accounting in tournaments.

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08-16-2009 , 12:41 AM
I,ve searched the forums and the web and cannot find much information on Elastic and Inelastic ranges..If anybody could explain them in laymans terms it would be much appreciated..I am not far off understanding them but still need some help..Thanks..
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08-16-2009 , 06:03 AM
I just did a couple of quick searches for the term uNL, hoping to find its derivation. This thread tells me it refers to micro NL:

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...88&an=0&page=0

I thought the u might refer to the greek letter upsilon?
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08-16-2009 , 06:22 AM
actually, it's an attempt with ASCII/UTF-8 Roman to emulate the letter mu.
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08-16-2009 , 06:42 AM
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actually, it's an attempt with ASCII/UTF-8 Roman to emulate the letter mu.
I can see why you couldn't use xNL because that would refer to NL at any level but what's the connection w/ mu? I was thinking that Omicron might have been a contender?
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08-16-2009 , 07:19 AM
mu or µ is common notation for micro.
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08-16-2009 , 07:41 AM
Thanks, got it now, there was a bell distantly ringing in my head. I got this when I googled "notation for micro":

http://theory.uwinnipeg.ca/physics/intro/node4.html
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08-16-2009 , 02:15 PM
08-16-2009 , 03:13 PM
Question about a hand here. Did I play this too scared? Feared he had a set obv, but should I have been more aggro?

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is CO with A A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls

Flop: (7.4 SB) 3 Q 2 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, Hero calls

Turn: (5.7 BB) K (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls

River: (7.7 BB) 2 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls
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08-16-2009 , 05:01 PM
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Question about a hand here. Did I play this too scared? Feared he had a set obv, but should I have been more aggro?

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is CO with A A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls

Flop: (7.4 SB) 3 Q 2 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, Hero calls

Turn: (5.7 BB) K (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls

River: (7.7 BB) 2 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls

yes. 3-bet 3rd. he's only representing top pair and by calling you are representing a-k a-j or pp smaller then qq. FD will mostly donk here tho. sets a lot of times will c/c 3rd and c/r 4th and thats ectually the play that might make me stop raising aces every time I can. and even if he had k-q river improved your hand.
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08-16-2009 , 05:07 PM
Not sure if there is a better place to ask this, but in Hold'em Manager, under the Tourney then Graph tab, what does the Luck Adjusted Winnings part mean? Roughly, how is it calculated?
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08-16-2009 , 09:35 PM
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when you're on a draw it means you don't necessarily have a made hand but will stay in the pot because some cards to come will complete that draw. you can draw to anything, a straight a flush and so on.

so if you AK and the board is 853, you are drawing to the nut flush.
awesome, thanks!

so if someone says the board is "drawy" it means a lot of people could be trying to draw into something
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08-17-2009 , 09:11 AM
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thanks for that. i did an advanced search by thread title and the above link comes up on page 3. next time i will dig a little deeper.
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08-17-2009 , 12:19 PM
It's cool, that's what this thread and this forum are for - uNL is a pretty common term, not surprising that thread would be buried. You almost might as well have been searching for "the"
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08-17-2009 , 02:42 PM
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awesome, thanks!

so if someone says the board is "drawy" it means a lot of people could be trying to draw to something
yup.

so 867, there's straight draws and flush draws here. and if you have a 88 you're drawing to a full house.
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08-17-2009 , 04:51 PM
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yup.

so 867, there's straight draws and flush draws here. and if you have a 88 you're drawing to a full house.
And you can make that draw and still lose.
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08-17-2009 , 09:31 PM
Thanks!
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08-18-2009 , 10:21 AM
Is there any site like sharkscope.com just for cash games? I have found tableratings.com (I think that was it), but couldn't find myself on that one.
I'm playing on Poker Stars.
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08-18-2009 , 04:19 PM
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Is there any site like sharkscope.com just for cash games?
no. the way tournament results are published make it possible for 3rd parties to track them. cash games don't get those nice summaries posted for all to see.
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