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08-22-2011 , 10:24 AM
Kua2: Those are good solid stats for the most part.
Some remarks
(0) It looks like this is all NL2? If so, I'd say it's time to move up.
(1) River aggression is quite low. Making thin river value bets can be a big winner if you do it right.
(2) You are folding to steal an enormous amount. That's not bad at NL2, but you could start looking at defending a bit more, especially against people where you have a read they steal a lot. Defend by 3-betting, btw.
(3) It looks like you are calling a raise to your c-bet a lot. It's difficult to imagine that works well -- mostly people will have you range crushed if they raise your cbet.
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08-26-2011 , 12:06 AM
Would someone be able to take a look at my stats and see if anything jumps out other then how great I've been running

I have about a third of my hands at 2nl, 5nl, and 10nl each.



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08-26-2011 , 12:13 AM
Those graphs look awesome, what's the problem? You also have a positive winrate from the sb which is quite unusual but it's probably just variance.
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08-26-2011 , 03:36 AM
OptionDrake: great results. Keep up the good work, though there must be a considerable amount of rungood in there.
I see this is fullring, for which I can say:
(1) Preflop you seem insufficiently position aware. You are quite loose from EP, especially for fullring, and relatively tight in the late positions. This may be partly caused by the stakes at which you're playing. If you have games with a lot of limpers, this will be one of the results, as well as:
(2) You are limping/coldcalling a bit too much. Again, this may be caused by being in games with a lot of limpers.
(3) Your postflop aggression figures are remarkably low, especially on the flop. It looks like you're calling down quite a bit, which normally can't be good really.

All in all, your stats are OK, but they look generally semi-passive; it is amazing you're scoring this high with that strategy. Again, it could be that you are really good at reads, calling down the bluff monkeys and playing aggressive vs the rest, but I think there is a lot of rungood in there.
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08-26-2011 , 04:30 PM
Thanks, I'll be back for a checkup after I stop playing so many marginal hands out of position.
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08-27-2011 , 06:31 AM
Hey guys, pretty much a noob at poker, been reading alot of books and have joined the forums and everything. Just posting my results thus far, i know you need a minimum of 10k hands but i cant really see me getting any better without some advice.
Cheers
Jamie

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08-27-2011 , 06:22 PM
@jamie you are too loose... And you need to play more hands
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08-27-2011 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Schmiesen
@jamie you are too loose... And you need to play more hands
So tighten up my opening ranges? So too loose preflop?
Thanks
Jamie
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08-28-2011 , 05:50 AM
jamie: you are clearly too loose preflop. I don't know if this is 6-max or fullring, but it's too loose for both (way too loose fullring). Also you seem like a bit of a calling station (though that is hard to be definitive over so few hands), you are going to showdown an awful lot while not being very aggressive.
This is often because you have problems laying down mediocre hands (like 2nd pair, or top pair bad kicker).
Some ideas:
(1) Stop calling preflop, completely. Either raise or fold. That is a bit over the top, but it should be your basic attitude. Hands like KJ should be turbo-folded to a raise.
(2) Postflop, do not call because your opponent "might be bluffing". Just call when you get odds to chase draws, otherwise raise or fold again.
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08-28-2011 , 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
jamie: you are clearly too loose preflop. I don't know if this is 6-max or fullring, but it's too loose for both (way too loose fullring). Also you seem like a bit of a calling station (though that is hard to be definitive over so few hands), you are going to showdown an awful lot while not being very aggressive.
This is often because you have problems laying down mediocre hands (like 2nd pair, or top pair bad kicker).
Some ideas:
(1) Stop calling preflop, completely. Either raise or fold. That is a bit over the top, but it should be your basic attitude. Hands like KJ should be turbo-folded to a raise.
(2) Postflop, do not call because your opponent "might be bluffing". Just call when you get odds to chase draws, otherwise raise or fold again.
This and this.
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09-01-2011 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
On your overall figures:
(1) Your AF is lowish while your Agg% is sky high. That almost certainly means you're calling bets and raises too much postflop.
My Agg% is indeed causing me trouble. I noticed when it gets too high (>50%), my red line is tanking. I don't fully understand though how too much calling is increasing Agg% and not AF. And should I play more raise/fold instead of peeling flops?
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09-02-2011 , 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by eroock
My Agg% is indeed causing me trouble. I noticed when it gets too high (>50%), my red line is tanking. I don't fully understand though how too much calling is increasing Agg% and not AF. And should I play more raise/fold instead of peeling flops?
Agg% = (#bets + #raises) / (#bets + #raises + #checks + #calls)
AF = (#bets + #raises) / #calls

This means that Agg% shows what percentage of the time you show aggression. AF is actually more determined by how often you are calling. Hgih Agg% and lowish (<3) AF indicates a lot of bluffing (because you are obviously betting and raising a large percentage of the time, and a lot of calling )otherwise your AF would be much higher.

As for your second question, that´s just way too situational to use a stats-based approach I think. I peel a lot of flops against people who c-bet too often. I prefer that to raise/folding in general, because many of these players don't 2nd barrel the turn with air, so you get free extra information by peeling. (I try to keep some balance by also peeling with pairs often.)
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09-08-2011 , 06:38 PM
Is there a lists of "optimal stats" somewhere?

So that I can analysis my own stats and also learn how to exploit villians stats?

Give a man a fishing rod and all that.
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09-09-2011 , 08:21 AM
Invest in HM2 or Leak Finder.
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09-10-2011 , 07:18 PM
I have leak finder etc, but was more interested in being able to use my brain at the table to work out how to exploit villians based on stats. Anyone know any good articles, videos?
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09-11-2011 , 03:58 PM
The stickies of microNL and SSNL have a lot of good stuff. Look at Pokey's posts on stats for example. The best way to learn this sort of stuff, is not, for me at least, trying to memorize all sorts of stuff, but to understand why it's exploitable. For example, work out for yourself what fold-to-steal percentage you need to make a 3bb button steal profitableenough to steal with any two cards. There are a lot of situations like that.
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09-12-2011 , 11:42 AM
Hi
I beat 10nl over a large sample but I cant really beat 30nl.
Disappointing.
I could easily point out to someone how to beat 10nl. I feel like I m missing something at 30nl and it s preventing me from moving up.
Any thoughts on how I could "really" beat 30nl?
Regards,



30nl graph:

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09-12-2011 , 04:43 PM
first 18k hands at new site

leak one- bet/calling rivers
leak two- bet/calling too much
leak three- playing drunk
leak four- playing tilted
leak five- calling too many 3bets
leak six- too loose utg??
leak seven- too loose oop???


this is what i have noticed doing a mini review

any other massive leaks theres



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09-12-2011 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
The stickies of microNL and SSNL have a lot of good stuff. Look at Pokey's posts on stats for example. The best way to learn this sort of stuff, is not, for me at least, trying to memorize all sorts of stuff, but to understand why it's exploitable. For example, work out for yourself what fold-to-steal percentage you need to make a 3bb button steal profitableenough to steal with any two cards. There are a lot of situations like that.

Cheers. I'll take a look now.
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09-13-2011 , 02:25 AM
4NL Ive only started to buy in for full stacks.



hope i did this right


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09-13-2011 , 06:32 AM
mark89er:
(1) Definitely too loose from early position. Not sufficiently position aware for this reason.
(2) Low AF and highish AFq indicate way too much calling, as you note yourself.
(3) CBet percentages are on the low side of the right spectrum, possibly because you're playing out of position too much (see (1))
(4) Very high W$SD and highish WTSD indicates you have actually been running hot.
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09-13-2011 , 06:39 AM
dan233: Quite amazing how the exact same stats (essentially) score so differently between NL10 and NL30. The problem you're having certainly doesn't show in these stats, they look like standard decent TAG/semi-LAG stats.

I think you're going to have to dig deeper for yourself, by fiddling with HEM filters and see where the differences are. My guess is that you are encountering more resistance in standard flop and turn positions -- getting floated, check-raised etc -- and playing too standard vs regs. It's surprising but probably right that this sort of thing already matters at NL30 nowadays.
Do you use person-specific reads in postflop situations? Like 2nd barreling more against certain players. You may need to.
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09-13-2011 , 06:41 AM
georgieporgie: That's not a very useful screen shots for stats analysis, since it's showing hardly any stats. Look up in the thread for what kind of screen shots are useful.
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09-13-2011 , 07:35 PM
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better?
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09-14-2011 , 03:25 AM
goergieporgie:
This is better, a bunch of observations:
(1) Your PFR/VPIP ratio is too low, which means you are open-calling too much.
(1a) Do not open-limp, EVER. Raise or fold when first in.
(1b) Only call with speculative hands such as low pocket pairs and suited connectors. Raise or fold the rest.
(2) Your flop and turn cbet% are both absurdly high. At some point villains are going to pick up on the fact that you cbet every hand and fire 2 barrels with most. If I played against you, I'd just call down any made hand.
(3) You are going to showdown way too much (probably because of (2)) and are losing a lot of showdowns. It's OK to lose a pot every now and then in poker.
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