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07-07-2011 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
It depends on your style. Basically 2 to 3 times your UTG VPIP. It can also vary wildly on table conditions if you don't play autopilot. My button VPIP/PFR at 6-max NL25/NL50 is about 35/30, and I'm sort of semi-LAG (overall 6-max stats 24/20 or so).



The most important for me is to basically ignore that and just play tight vs 3-bets until you get a somewhat specific read. It may be that the guy has 3bet% of 12% over >200 hands, or that he's 3-bet his blind 4 times in a row. For all the other, just believe them, it saves money.



Don't call anything in the SB you wouldn't raise with, be tighter actually. I fold AJo to a raise in the SB most of the time.
Limp when you get crazy odds with somewhat speculative hands (I'll complete with 85s if there are 2 limpers), still marginal though.
Stealing from SB: I probably do about 45% (Ax,Kxs, PPs, SCs, 86s+, broadways, somewhat dependent on BB stats)
Cool, makes perfect sense, thanks.

I don't think I ever open limp SB, if it's folded round to me I think I open/fold, I mostly limp in quite wide if there r a few limpers behind. I'll be looking to tighten up.
I've read somewhere my vpip on the sb should be lower than on the bb (questional source) should I disregard this?
I'm stealing 49% on the SB n feel quite comfortable doing so. 32% in the CO n 36% on the BU. Opinion please?
Also on the sb, i open any 2 suited cards against tight players. Is this a leak? (I saw it on a high stakes training video on DC).
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07-08-2011 , 01:31 AM
RedGladiator: SB VPIP should be lower than BB VPIP, if you discount steal opportunities in SB. The latter makes it much higher in SB.
As for those steal%: CO is a bit high, BUT a bit low.
That SB steal strategy seems OK against nits, until they start playing back.
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07-08-2011 , 04:26 PM
Thanks ur awesome =)
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07-09-2011 , 05:48 PM
Hello,i have one qwestion.
Playing nl10, 6max, i have full by,my position - utg - low pair (22-77), I raise to 0.35,
vilain with full by on dealer reraise to 1.20, sb and bb folds .... now me. Is it profitable to call this reraise ? We dont have stats for vilain.
Thx a lot for help
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07-09-2011 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by akarelin
Hello,i have one qwestion.
Playing nl10, 6max, i have full by,my position - utg - low pair (22-77), I raise to 0.35,
vilain with full by on dealer reraise to 1.20, sb and bb folds .... now me. Is it profitable to call this reraise ? We dont have stats for vilain.
Thx a lot for help
This isn't the right thread to ask these questions, however.
You are set mining, the bigger the stacks the more you should err on calling.
Follow the 5-10 rule(google this). if you are playing with $10 stacks this is more than 10% so fold. 5% you can call, anything in between is a judgement call. It is HUGELY dependent on who is 3 betting you. If his 3 bet range is very tight then he's more likely to have AA,KK,AK and if you hit your set you are likely to stack him. If is 3 bet range is wide then he may not pay you off when you do it and if you miss he will likely out play you post flop.
If you have no data and no reads on him then fold. Fight another day. You are unlikely to hit your set and you will be playing out of position, this is burning money.

Again there are lot's of variables to consider. ^^ guide lines.

Oh and welcome to the forums, enjoy your stay =)
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07-10-2011 , 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by RedGladiator
This isn't the right thread to ask these questions, however.
You are set mining, the bigger the stacks the more you should err on calling.
Follow the 5-10 rule(google this). if you are playing with $10 stacks this is more than 10% so fold. 5% you can call, anything in between is a judgement call. It is HUGELY dependent on who is 3 betting you. If his 3 bet range is very tight then he's more likely to have AA,KK,AK and if you hit your set you are likely to stack him. If is 3 bet range is wide then he may not pay you off when you do it and if you miss he will likely out play you post flop.
If you have no data and no reads on him then fold. Fight another day. You are unlikely to hit your set and you will be playing out of position, this is burning money.

Again there are lot's of variables to consider. ^^ guide lines.

Oh and welcome to the forums, enjoy your stay =)
Thx a lot !
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07-11-2011 , 12:54 PM
Hello,
I played 9k hands at 10NL and I've been breakeven. Decided to start looking for leaks in my play. Perhaps any of you can help me.
Is 27/24 too laggy for 10NL? Should I stick to ABC play, considering the increasing number of regs at the micros? Or should I start getting fancy? I think that I am slightly overaggressive at turn play.
Thanks for your help.


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07-11-2011 , 04:04 PM
@Rilu: I am assuming this is 6-max.
(1) 27/24 is probably too laggy at 10NL
(2) Your main leak appears that you are a bit of a calling station, making way too many hero calls. Your AF and Agg% are all fairly low, yet you go to showdown a lot and have a bad @$SD%. That indicates calling way too much. Also your River Call Efficiency is bad. Stop calling with mediocre hands. When these people bet the river, they have it most of the time.
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07-11-2011 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
@Rilu: I am assuming this is 6-max.
(1) 27/24 is probably too laggy at 10NL
(2) Your main leak appears that you are a bit of a calling station, making way too many hero calls. Your AF and Agg% are all fairly low, yet you go to showdown a lot and have a bad @$SD%. That indicates calling way too much. Also your River Call Efficiency is bad. Stop calling with mediocre hands. When these people bet the river, they have it most of the time.
Alright, thanks. Here are my positional stats. Where should i tighten up and what is a good VPIP/PFR for 10NL?



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Also what is a good ratio between WTSD and W$SD?
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07-12-2011 , 07:55 AM
Rilu: Positional stats look OK. Slightly too tight in MP I think, and too loose from the BB especially, it looks.
I don't know what a good VPIP/PFR for 10 NL is, but anything between 18/16 and 24/21 should be possible. Less than that is OK but nitty, more than that is putting your self in very marginal situations too much I think.
I don't know anything of a ratio between WTSD and W$SD.
WTSD should probably always be around 23 - 25 (maybe up to 27?). W$SD should be fairly close to 50% Too high means you're folding too many winners, too low is bad calls and over-aggression.
(NOTE: W$SD is one of the slowest stats to converge)
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07-15-2011 , 07:21 PM
This thread really deserves 5 stars IMO
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07-16-2011 , 04:54 PM
Hi everyone,

I'm new here. Been playing NL2 (FR) for about 20 days now, trying not to tilt. I have been playing poker online for 3 years always losing..
Decided to stick to NL2 with my last $4 and grind up to $80 so I can move up to NL4. I read a lot of books and articles last month and it really improved my game.

My vpip is probably way too tight, and the gap between vpip and pfr is too big I guess. Is this a problem for NL2?
There are usually 2-3 calling stations at every table I play, and I don't want to be in a pot with them playing a marginal hand.

What do you guys think of these stats?



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07-17-2011 , 02:06 AM
You are an extreme nit . You can raise ALL of the hands you have been playing for value . Your steal attemps is very low , so steal more . Study up on late position play . Other than that , your graph looks good imo . keep it up . I'm sure fabadam will be able to help you out more , but thats what I see .
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07-17-2011 , 06:29 AM
eva90: Leroy's basic observation is correct. You are playing extremely nitty preflop, and are limping/coldcalling too much. You should also open-raise/steal in late positions a lot more: a Button UO VPIP of 19.7% is way too low (about 40-50% is optimal).
Your stats postflop look very good. Very aggressive -- which is very logical with your nitty preflop range -- and looks like you are making good reads.
Your graph is pretty good overall, and about what it should look like.
So basically keep on doing what you're doing, but learn to use your position a bit more preflop to profitably steal blinds, this can easily add a few bb/100 to your winrate. Also, at higher limits, probably from NL25 or so, people will start tuning in to your extreme nittyness better, and you won't keep this winrate playing like that.
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07-17-2011 , 07:17 AM
Thanks for the comments. I'm glad my postflop stats look good!
I know I'm too nitty preflop so now I will work on that. Hope to see some changes after another 10k hands.
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07-17-2011 , 08:18 PM
hello people im new to cash games and starting out at the bottom (1/2c FR) for experience this is my graph and I will edit my post with a screen shot of stats if someone can explain how I take them please ? I have tried doing it the same way as graphs but I can never find the file even when I know where I stored it.

Thanks in advance for any info on it/plugging my many leaks, I believe the graph for FR should not be this "swingy" and think im maybe stacking off too light ???.




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07-17-2011 , 08:46 PM
graph does not really tell us much . use a screen cut software and take a screenshot of stats . then use something like tinypic to host them and then post them in here
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07-17-2011 , 09:01 PM
Thanks, you will have to humor me as im not very good with computers. what is this screen cut software you speak of and where do i find it please ?
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07-17-2011 , 09:42 PM
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Thanks, you will have to humor me as im not very good with computers. what is this screen cut software you speak of and where do i find it please ?
Crtl and print screen.
Paste into paint and crop.
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07-18-2011 , 11:39 PM
Im wondering if I can get any feedback on my full ring 5nl stats? Basically just looking for some areas where I could improve my game, thanks.







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07-19-2011 , 01:52 AM




Any comments are welcome, criticisms even more so.



I play 4nl btw.
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07-19-2011 , 05:00 AM
Takethepain: your PFR/VPIP ratio is rather low, which means you are coldcalling/limping a bit much. Possibly this is correct more often in full ring (if you get a bunch of limpers/coldcallers in front you can limp along profitably a lot).
Postflop you definitely seem too passive and calling-stationy. Your AF is way too low, indicating too much calling. I also see your FoldToRaise%'s are quite low on all streets -- at this level they usually have a monster when they raise.
Because of this your WTSD% is on the high side. Your W$SD% is still reasonable, which indicates you should probably raise more and call less, rather than fold more and call less. But it's probably a bit of both.
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07-19-2011 , 05:07 AM
fatbear5090: Sample size is very small, 10k hands should give a better view, possible even 20k, since if you graph's development is real and not just variance (a very realistic possibility over so few hands), you have considerably improved your play over the last 2k hands or so.
Some observations are clear even ofter 5k hands:
(1) You are limping/coldcalling way too much. Try to raise or fold preflop, never open-call, and only coldcall/limp smallish pocket pairs and sometimes Suited connectors. This makes your limping range unbalanced but they won't notice at tjis level anyway.
(2) You are much too loose from early position, and much too tight in late position. Look at the stickies of one of the micro forums for some preflop range charts.
(3) Definitely too passive postflop, you are not even betting your made hands.
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07-19-2011 , 11:56 PM
Hi guys,

Gone through my first 10k hands at 2nl and i've been tracking sideways for a while so i'm looking for some insight into what's going on.



any help is greatly appreciated.

Cheers!
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07-20-2011 , 03:46 AM
ohemcee:
Your main leak is that you are nowhere near position aware enough (preflop). Your early position VPIP/PFR is quite loose, while your late position VPIP/PFR is way too tight. At FR, your button VPIP should be 2.5 to 3 times your UTG VPIP, and that's not at all the case.
Postflop, your aggression is a bit too low: AF should generally be at least 3. It looks like you are especially a bit too passive on the river, but it's hard to tell from these stats.
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