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03-20-2011 , 07:50 PM
Thanks Fabadam- it's immensely useful to have someone more experienced/ better player look over my stats. In response to your points I've pulled out a couple more things which may provide a better steer (if you have time, of course).

First up, you commented in the low BTN PFR figure. I've filtered in PT for open opportunities only, and the figures are

BTN: VPIP 38.9, PFR 37.7, +24ptBB/100
CO: VPIP: 22.4, PFR 22.2, +13ptBB/100
HJ: VPIP: 12.5, PFR 12.0, +13ptBB/100

Are these sufficiently loose? Maybe in particular the HJ is a bit on the low side?

I guess the flip side of this is when facing action. With limpers ahead (no raisers) my stats are:

BTN: VPIP 22.1, PFR 14.4, +9ptBB/100
CO: VPIP: 16.0, PFR 10.5, +6ptBB/100
HJ: VPIP: 11.1, PFR 6.9, +9ptBB/100

However, when facing a raise my stats drop away really sharply:

BTN: VPIP: 8.0, PFR: 2.0, Flop AF 1.2, +16ptBB/100
CO: VPIP: 5.9, PFR: 1.9, Flop AF 0.7, -9ptBB/100
HJ: VPIP: 6.2, PFR: 2.4, Flop AF 2.7, -2ptBB/100

I guess pre-flop I'm too concerned about facing action ahead of me? So punish limpers more, and maybe even play a few more hands when there is a pfr ahead of me?

Essentially, I'm pretty much 3-betting QQ+, AKs, Flatting AQ, AKo, and set mining with PPs. But I'm a bit concerned that I'm losing so much from CO even with such a tight range. Might need to do some more analysis on that...
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03-21-2011 , 12:40 AM
I just bought HEM and imported all my hands. I have been playing this year without it and I figured it'd be a good way to plug some leaks and help me move up in the stakes.









I also picked up a month subscription to deuces cracked today, so I think that will help increase my studying
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03-21-2011 , 02:40 AM
DevaCat: That is excellent -- this is the sort of analysis you can and should do sometimes with HEM.

(1) Your open-raise%: this is the stat that is displayed also by Steal% (except that is CO, BT and SB), and you can see in your results how immensely profitable it is. Yes, you probably can increase all of these a bit, especially HJ. Choose your spots: look at the players behind you -- if they are very tight you can open-steal much lighter.
(2) Play vs limper(s): definitely too tight. If someone limps ahead of you, you know he is a poor player, and you can isolate almost as much as you would be open-raising. If there are 3 or more limpers, you can limp along with many speculative hands (specifically low pocket pairs and suited connectors and 1-gappers).
(3) I wouldn't change much when facing a raise. Yes, this is very tight, and you could try 3-betting a bit more (say, TT+,AQ,AK) and also coldcalling many of those speculative hands. You'll be playing in position the rest of the hand, so that's not so bad.
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03-21-2011 , 02:47 AM
AdrenalineKid: some general points
(1) Your PFR/VPIP ratio is too low, meaning you limp/coldcall too often. Either fold or raise preflop, generally only call speculative hands (low pocket pairs)
(2) You are nowhere near position aware enough. As a general rule, button VPIP/PFR should be at least 2 x that of UTG, getting gradually looser along he way.
(3) It looks like you are calling way too many 3-bets.
(4) Postflop, you are way too passive, both AF and AGG% are too low
(5) You are not c-betting the flop enough, and the turn too often.
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03-21-2011 , 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
AdrenalineKid: some general points
(1) Your PFR/VPIP ratio is too low, meaning you limp/coldcall too often. Either fold or raise preflop, generally only call speculative hands (low pocket pairs)
(2) You are nowhere near position aware enough. As a general rule, button VPIP/PFR should be at least 2 x that of UTG, getting gradually looser along he way.
(3) It looks like you are calling way too many 3-bets.
(4) Postflop, you are way too passive, both AF and AGG% are too low
(5) You are not c-betting the flop enough, and the turn too often.
thanks man, I will be working on these things on my next few sessions. I sometimes have a hard time for putting people on ranges and I think I've been burned enough that I get gun shy calling spazzy people.
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03-21-2011 , 07:43 PM
Hi again-

Once again thanks for the comments. I'll try opening wider from the HJ and punishing limpers more aggressively from LP. I guess on the latter my fear has been a limp/reraise (playing NL2 the player pool means that when I sit down there are usually only a couple of players whom I have 50+ hands on, so it's usually unknowns limping along). But that's probably a symptom of me seeing monsters under the bed.

If you have the stamina to keep going (this may be tl;dr), I have a few stats relating to your post flop comment (too much weak-tightness?), which I didn't get onto yesterday. I'm finding this very useful, in particular in stimulating me to do more analysis in the right areas of my game...

Anyway, the stats... I've looked at my behaviour when I saw the flop, with various made hands (flop actions only):

* No made hand (not inc free look in BB): -68ptBB/100, Fold to bt 77%, Fold raise 92%, AF 3.7, AFq 43%
* MP (not pp): -7ptBB/100, Fold to bt 75%, Fold raise 80%, AF 2.4, AFq 34%
* MP (pp): -62ptBB/100, Fold to bt 63%, Fold raise 100%, AF 2.6, AFq 45%
* TP (not pp): +115ptBB/100, Fold to bt 18%, Fold raise 26%, AF 4.2, AFq 74%
* Overpair: +296ptBB/100, Fold to bt 11%, Fold raise 25%, AF 7.4, AFq 82%
* 2 pair (unpaired board): +379ptBB/100, Fold to bt 0%, Fold raise 0%, AF 13.3, AFq 93%
* Trips: +495ptBB/100, Fold to bt 0%, Fold raise 0%, AF 3.5, AFq 78%
* Set: +783ptBB/100, Fold to bt 0%, Fold raise 0%, AF 4.4, AFq 82%

I guess that the problem is when I don't flop TP or better my results are pretty dismal? In particular, I'm treating MP very similarly to air, with a check-fold line being standard for me.

I looked a bit more at what happened when I raised pre-flop and then missed the flop.

* Pre-flop raiser, 2 players to flop, in position: -1/100, AF 6.2, AFq 62%
* Pre-flop raiser, 2 players to flop, out of position: -141/100, AF 10.9, AFq 74%
* Pre-flop raiser, 3 players to flop, in position: -151/100, AF 1.6, AFq 21%
* Pre-flop raiser, 3 players to flop, out of position: -145/100, AF 3.4, AFq 35%

So I guess that the problem is when I miss the flop I'm misplaying my position? It seems really strange to me now I look at the figures that I'm more willing to bet oop than ip; I seem to be taking free cards when I have the chance to take it down with a cbet, particularly in position. This is strangest when I've missed 3-way; I'm either not cbetting enough in position, or cbetting too little out of position.

So, through all of that lengthy (probably very poor) attempt at self-analysis, I guess a couple of questions emerge:

- What should I do differently with MP in order to make it more profitable for me? Is it just a matter of betting more aggressively?
- With air, is it right that I should cbet more? If so, should it mainly be when heads up in position, or across the board? I'm thinking that maybe cbetting oop 3-way is at best a thin value play which should be saved for specific villains (ie, when both have FCbt>75%)?
- Is there anything else in the above stats which seems to indicate resolvable leaks?

Once more, Fabadam, thanks for your consideration- it's much appreciated and I'm finding it a great stimulant to some deeper self analysis than just checking that my pfr from BTN> 2x pfr UTG.

Best wishes

DC
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03-22-2011 , 02:38 AM
DevaCat: I have no no idea of what stats one should expect in the situations you analysed here. I could look at my own I guess, but I never have, nad I can't look at such stats for other players since I am not seeing their hands a huge part of the time.
Also, nearly every play you make in these situations is extremely dependent on villain and board texture.

Say you raise from MP with KQo and the button calls. He is a TAG player with 20/17 stats. The flop comes A83r. I am c-betting this always. His range is mostly low pocket pairs. Ax is a huge part of my range, so he'll be folding my c-bet a ton here.
Now when the flop is 865r, I am check folding the flop. But if button was a loose passive 60/4 fish with 75% fold to c-bet, I am still betting this flop.
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03-22-2011 , 07:41 AM
I could use some comments on my play. Not a very large sample, but I guess it gives a good indication of how I play. As you may see I play 6-max .01/.02





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03-22-2011 , 08:09 AM
intro: sample size way too small to say much about most things, but still these jump out:
(1) Way too loose from early position
(2) Stop limping in the SB so much, it's the worst seat at the table.
(3) Don't limp so much in general. Either you have the best hand so you raise, or you don't so you fold.
(4) Not sufficiently position aware due to all that limping in early position.
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03-23-2011 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
Stop limping in the SB so much, it's the worst seat at the table.
position.
+1!!!
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03-23-2011 , 01:00 PM
Blinds: 200/400 Ante 50 - What to do?

Pot Size: 11.041

To call: 4769

Stack size left: 10184


I felt enormous weakness before the flop so that's why I came to the conclusion that calling would be the best decision, even though there are so many hands that could beat me, but tell me what you think about my play and whether a call is correct or not.

And yea, also the wider hand ranges at 1$ Rush Tournaments. That is an important factor too. People plays any draws, gut- or whatever, they play it all.



Blinds: 200/400 Ante 50
Dealt to Payoff11 [Qs Kc]
grifter1986 folds
The Finger33 folds
Payoff11 has 8 seconds left to act
Payoff11 raises to 1,111
znake391 folds
Drafko69 folds
SuperFantazy folds
limpin65 folds
ramonaramona calls 911
reneNL1 folds
*** FLOP *** [7c Jd Kd]
ramonaramona checks
Payoff11 bets 1,600
ramonaramona raises to 6,369, and is all in
Payoff11 calls 4,769
ramonaramona shows [3d Ad]
Payoff11 shows [Qs Kc]
*** TURN *** [7c Jd Kd] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [7c Jd Kd 8d] [Ac]
ramonaramona shows a flush, Ace high
Payoff11 shows a pair of Kings
ramonaramona wins the pot (15,810) with a flush, Ace high

Last edited by Payoff11; 03-23-2011 at 01:06 PM. Reason: had to
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03-23-2011 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Payoff11
ramonaramona calls 911
That made me LOL.

But, you're misposting this in this thread.

Still, this is a very easy call. Why do you think it isn't? You were a favourite on the flop, so you can't fold getting 3 to 1.
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03-23-2011 , 07:14 PM
I just wanna understand why I it's an easy call. Cos even though I may be ahead with 55% I can't see from where I get 3 to 1 from?

I can use my poor calculation skills to this result: 11041 / 4769 = 2.3 pot odds.

But is it a profitable decision in the long run? I know im ahead but is it okay risking over 40% over my total chipstack on a 55% chance at best, cos it also means if I lose I'm down to rougly 13 BB. So I am just wondering if it's smart or not. I made the call cos I felt it was the correct decision, still im wondering if it was mathematically correct.

If it sounds very weird i'm sorry, but I hope you can enlighten me
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03-23-2011 , 08:22 PM
OK whatever, it's 2.3 to 1. You have top pair 2nd kicker 30 bb deep in a donkament. You are not describing anything that might influence the decision such as:
(1) Number of players left
(2) Payout structure

Absent that, you just don't fold top pair with shallow stacks in a donkament. The basic idea here is to get it in good, or reasonable, and hope you get lucky in this one.
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03-24-2011 , 09:45 AM
Okey thanks.
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03-24-2011 , 11:41 AM
I started playing poker again after a few months break and it hasn't gone as planned : p

It's obvious I'm doing something horribly wrong and this thread seems perfect to see if someone sees any large leaks in my stats! Can I do anything to 'fix' my stats?

Everything is NL10 6max


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03-24-2011 , 11:57 AM
Dararr: these are some pretty nitty preflop stats. I'd say you are especially too tight in late position (button and cutoff). Your postflop stats are maybe just a bit too passive, but they look generally OK. I would expect these stats to yield at least a positive winrate at NL10, to be honest, so I strongly suspect you are doing some things wrong postflop that don't really show in the stats.
zThe only specific tip I can give for these stats is to steal and iso-raise limpers a lot more in late position, but really you should probably work at your postflop hand-reading skills, because your overall stats are fairly OK.
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03-24-2011 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
Dararr: these are some pretty nitty preflop stats. I'd say you are especially too tight in late position (button and cutoff). Your postflop stats are maybe just a bit too passive, but they look generally OK. I would expect these stats to yield at least a positive winrate at NL10, to be honest, so I strongly suspect you are doing some things wrong postflop that don't really show in the stats.
zThe only specific tip I can give for these stats is to steal and iso-raise limpers a lot more in late position, but really you should probably work at your postflop hand-reading skills, because your overall stats are fairly OK.
Ah, thanks a lot, I suspected my postflop play was the big issue. Any tips where I can start looking at it/studying it more? A great thread to work on postflop play from scratch?

Heading over to the uNL forum to read some threads on specific concepts perhaps?
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03-24-2011 , 04:34 PM
Dararr, yeah. Basically take a look at the stickies of microNL and SSNL. There is tons of materials there, that should be able to get you thinking about the right sort of questions.

For me the basic principles of winning micro stakes is:
(1) Understand position
(2) Value bet the hell out of every edge
(3) Understand pot size control
(4) Learn to fold when they raise you -- there is extremely little bluffing, especially on later streets
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03-25-2011 , 09:06 AM
hi all

since im a fish in computer stuff, i have no idea how to post my graphs from pt3 in here. Help!
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03-25-2011 , 01:33 PM
DigitalFOx: these are way too few hands, and the sessions tab is useless for analysing your game. Nice hot run, is about all I can say on this.
Play at least 10k hands, and then show the Position report and a good filled "By Stakes" report.
Also, all those nosebleed player strategies are not any use at all at NL2. They may help you learn to think about the game in the right way though,
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03-26-2011 , 10:17 AM
D1G1TALFOX: Think it's just a hot run you had. Come back 10K+ hands.

GL
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03-26-2011 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Schmiesen
D1G1TALFOX: Think it's just a hot run you had. Come back 100K+ hands.

GL
FYP
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03-26-2011 , 12:35 PM
Hello,my stats bellow. I play 40bb stack,24 full ring tables simultaneously.Please, could you help me to analyse my stats ? My red line is terrible and I dont know what to do to make it better.
stats nl2
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graph nl2


stats nl5

graph nl5
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03-26-2011 , 03:47 PM
This thread is probably more appropriate for my question.
What's a good win rate in terms of blinds at 2NL? I'm averaging 14/100BB over 5K hands, usually I would ignore it but since I'm starting fresh again I'd like to know if Im doing good or I could be averaging more by plugging some leaks and reevaluating my play.
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