Ok, thank you for your input.

About the coldcalling and limping part, I will keep this in mind when I play.


AF, once it was 1.0, I was potcontrolling too much. Now I'm valuebetting a lot more with TPTK etc.

I'm valuebetting a lot with my made hands, and still my AF is (too) low.

On the turn I will call, when I have a flush or straightdraw (any turncall:196 hands, OESD: 23, flushdraw 50) , if I miss I will check/fold mostly on the river.
If i have a hand like 2pair+ on a dry board or FH+ on wet board, I'm calling a lot on turn (slowplay)

Could this be the reason why it is so low?

Hi everyone, I'm new here and new to online poker, and I just had a question about PT3 stats. I've seen the term "holy trinity" for stats thrown about on different sites. My question is what is the holy trinity, and why are these stats so much more important to my game?

Dubz: I've been playing poker for about 4 years, and as a mathematician I pay a LOT of attention to stats. Until just now, I had never heard of the holy trinity for stats.

So I googled, and I see that it is indeed the 3 most important stats.

I'll start with the proviso, because it's so important: poker is a complex game, and there's just no way that anybody's play can be captured by just 3 numbers. Any read, any hunch that you develop on your own, is worth more than any of these 3 numbers.

Given that, the holy trinity is the 3 most important numbers to describe a poker strategy:
* VP$IP = what percentage of the time do people voluntarily put money in the pot (preflop)
* PFR = What percentage of the time do they raise preflop?
* Aggression Factor = How aggressive is someone postflop. Add up all the bets & raises someone makes, divide by all their calls.
AF < 1 --super passive
1< AF < 3 -- passive
AF >3 -- aggressive
As said, this is a very rough categorization, but it's about as meaningful as you can be based on just 3 numbers.

Thanks for that. Might as well post my Holy Trinity after 2000 hands of 25 NL. I know that's a small sample, but what do you think?

21.1/11/3.1

Dubz: good postflop aggression, but you are limping way too much preflop. Limp/call less, raise more, fold more.

Thanks for the tip. I do limp call suited connectors at a very high rate. I need to stop that me thinks.

Is there anyway in HEM to see every steal attempt in your database, not just the ones you made, and can you see how often they work.

No, you are not. You are limping way more than that.

That's probably true, but how do you figure that out? Is my VP$P too high?

Yes, there is.
Look around the filter screen and its tabs. I just checked: there is no straightforward way, you'll need to do some work.

Could you give me some more advice, i don't mean to sound ungrateful its just i don't know a lot about HEM

The difference between your VPIP (22) and PFR (11) is too high. That means that 11% of the hands (22 minus 11) you are just calling preflop, instead of raising. It can't be just suited connectors, but probably some lower pocket pairs as well.

Yeah I am still a breakeven player over another 30k hands. Thank F_$% for rakeback and bonus. My red line still going down, players are calling light, like they would never fold an Ace OTT when I c/r them (I played it like a set etc) or they call my cbet with btm pair or whatever.

I JUST WANT TO VALUE BET MY MADE HANDS I CANT DO THIS BECAUSE MY REDLINE WONT LET ME - I FIND MYSELF ON THE BTN/CO RAISING 25-35% OF HANDS JUST TO MISS THE FLOP OR GET PLAYED BACK AT................I JUST WANT TO VALUE BET.

GG RED LINE GG.

PS. I JUST WANT TO VALUE BET

Why the obession with the red line?

Level?

So just value bet and forget the red line?

ThinValueFold: how do you manage to get a VPIP/PFR of 16/13 on the button while raising 25-35% of hands?
Your positional stats show a total lack of positional sense: your preflop stats are virtually identical in every position. Your postflop aggression is also extremely low.

So yes, forget about the red line and try to play poker.

Thats because I dont flop a hand and the other players are unwilling to fold.

here are my current stats. I am at work right now so cant post the most recent graph but everything is the same just more hands played.

ThinValueFold: most of your stats look fine. Nice and aggressive, perhaps even slightly too much so. You might be 3betting a bit too much, I don't know. I don't like 3betting tight or passive EP raisers. What's your range for 3betting?

Also you might check back some flops a bit more in position when you don't hit, depending on flop texture.

Your W$SD for middle position is quite low, perhaps you ran into a bunch of coolers there, or just couldn't fold?

Also WTSD% is high for early and middle position, perhaps you can't let go of TPTK or an overpair when opponents raise?

I cant say for sure but I think I had the best hand a lot when the money went in or I had bet so much preflop, flop and turn and then they put me all in on the river after slowplaying something.

Yeah my 3betting range on the BTN was super wide any pair, any high SC hand, hands like QJs to 65s a lot.

Hey I dont like 3betting either without a hand but I cant keep playing the way I was because I was getting nowhere - fast. I just love value betting. Full stop.

Well, you aren't really value betting if your opponents are calling with better hands, are you? Try to get a little more selective with your aggression. Check back some rivers if their range is polarized to nuts or air. Bet-fold some more with your good hands when the board gets scary, etc.

Hello guys.
I played my first 15k hands of real poker now @ 9max NL2 on Pokerstars. (Before these i couldnt quite realize what poker really is). I would appriciate if someone could post any feedback on my stats. The first 8k hands I had no sessions in minus, I was beating the level with a 25bb/100 winrate, but i think the BE of the last 5-6k hands is because of variation and most of all my tilting and a loss of self-confidence after I had visited NL5 and NL10 and lost a bit there. (I know it was wrong, but I had to try ;D, wont do it anymore) After these hands i cashed out and took a month to learn and study. I think my next deposit is going to be 100$ and Im going to play NL5 with that. So thank you already, any feedback is strongly appriciated.




So most of all I want to discover any serious leaks. Obv I should play less hands on blinds and more IP, but can you think of sth else ?

virukunn: Congratulations, very impressive results and graph.
I think that not just your 5-6K breakeven stretch at the end is variance, so is your winrate before that. There is no way that that is sustainable. So be prepared for more headwind.

As for your stats: you are certainly not position aware enough: your VPIP/PFR stats are practically identical in all seats, while you should play way more hands in late position. As is, I think you are probably a bit too loose in early position, and could be much looser in late position. You are also too loose in the blinds.
Your aggression figures postflop look good, possibly a bit too aggressive but you are getting away with it for now. Except for the river, where you are not betting enough. Also you seem to be calling way too much on the river considering your river call efficiency.

Thank you very much. Has anyone else got anything to add ? Is it wise to move to NL5 ?