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Old 01-05-2009, 02:56 AM   #101
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Re: First 20,000 Hands.

You're so nitty

But I guess that's fine at 2NL, no one is going to care and notice.
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Old 01-05-2009, 03:23 AM   #102
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Re: First 20,000 Hands.

You're not stealing enough, giving up your blinds too much, your WWSF is really low. You probably aren't c-betting enough (as that's a primary reason that # gets low). You're button and CO opening range is extremely low. Those stats can't really give you enough info, but there's some to start.

I offer database analysis, and it costs $149 for 30k hands or less, and $199 for 50k-100k. I basically make a video, and I run custom filters and can show you were you are losing money, not capitalizing enough in certain spots, etc... I typically can find between 4-12 significant leaks per video. If you are interested, you can PM me and I can provide more details.
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Old 01-05-2009, 03:27 AM   #103
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Re: First 20,000 Hands.

Stop being so damn organized and just play@!
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Old 01-05-2009, 08:26 AM   #104
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Firstly, just want to say what an awesome thread this is, really interesting seeing other peoples stats and peoples analysis of them (RoSeeker, loving your straightforward and easy to undertstand analysis)

Well, I went busto pre xmas by not employing BRM and generally playing awfully as I was playing just for the sake of it and chasing losses etc. Had $20 left in my account and made a promise to myself (and my girlfriend!) that I would never have to deposit again so have started from scratch. Read Ryan Fee's Guide and put in 22k hands between the 23rd Dec 2008 and now (so, just under 2 weeks)...graphs/charts below for analysis and comments:

4 to 6 tabling 6max as I find FR too laborious!

Let me know what you think and any areas where I can improve...Thanks!

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Old 01-05-2009, 01:14 PM   #105
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Old 01-05-2009, 01:17 PM   #106
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Re: First 20,000 Hands.

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A bit nitty for 6max. Steal more blinds. But gimmie 21BB/100 anyday.

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Yes these are my real stats.

I agree with everyone that I am too nitty, but isn't ABC poker being Nitty?
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Old 01-05-2009, 01:37 PM   #107
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Re: First 20,000 Hands.

There is a massive difference between your CO and BTN opening ranges. You could open that up slightly more, after all only one person has position on you (depends on buttons stats i guess). Stop cold calling on the button as much. It's significantly higher than anywhere else, it stands out to me, but i don't think you have any major problems for these stakes.
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Old 01-05-2009, 02:02 PM   #108
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There is a massive difference between your CO and BTN opening ranges. You could open that up slightly more, after all only one person has position on you (depends on buttons stats i guess). Stop cold calling on the button as much. It's significantly higher than anywhere else, it stands out to me, but i don't think you have any major problems for these stakes.
I see what you are saying....what types of hands do you open with in CO? Also, what types of hands are you re-raising with in CO?
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Old 01-05-2009, 02:07 PM   #109
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I see what you are saying....what types of hands do you open with in CO? Also, what types of hands are you re-raising with in CO?
Depends on the tightness of the blinds and the button plus there 3 bet percentages. I don't know your exact ranges but from I'd be opening all PP AJs+ AQo+ and KQs from the cutoff.

I'd 3bet JJ+ AQs+ and AKo depending on the players. I'd call a raise with all pocket pairs setmining if the player is: TAGish or a calling station. A lot of what you should raise does depend on the players behind you. Open your game up in time, keep up the good work.
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Old 01-05-2009, 02:09 PM   #110
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Re: First 20,000 Hands.

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Yes these are my real stats.

I agree with everyone that I am too nitty, but isn't ABC poker being Nitty?
I'm not saying they're not yours. Rather implying something along the lines of, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Yes, nitty ABC poker will crush 2NL, as you've seen. However, moving up, you may open your range a bit, especially in position.

That said, when you move up, don't change your game up before you start playing a new level. Play your same game and make the adjustments you feel are needed. And you should probably move up and try some 5NL since you have the BR for it (or will very soon). You'll make more money.
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Old 01-05-2009, 02:14 PM   #111
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I see what you are saying....what types of hands do you open with in CO? Also, what types of hands are you re-raising with in CO?
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I'm not saying they're not yours. Rather implying something along the lines of, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Yes, nitty ABC poker will crush 2NL, as you've seen. However, moving up, you may open your range a bit, especially in position.

That said, when you move up, don't change your game up before you start playing a new level. Play your same game and make the adjustments you feel are needed. And you should probably move up and try some 5NL since you have the BR for it (or will very soon). You'll make more money.
I got ya....I have about $105 in the BR...my plan was to get it up to $125 then move up to 5NL.
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Old 01-05-2009, 02:18 PM   #112
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I got ya....I have about $105 in the BR...my plan was to get it up to $125 then move up to 5NL.
Personally I think you can beat 5NL without doing anything differently.
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Old 01-05-2009, 02:24 PM   #113
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

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Good: You seem to be getting to showdown the right amount and winning a decent frequency. You don't call or fold too much.

Bad: You steal more than you used to but still not enough. Force yourself to play more hands in position, either by raising weaker hands on the button or somtimes cold calling with speculative hands. Out of position is fine but stop open limping and raise or fold.

Your game is heading in the right direction and you have an ok winrate too. Just be a little more positionally aware and increase your postflop aggression is little and you'll be fine.
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Old 01-05-2009, 02:30 PM   #114
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Re: First 20,000 Hands.

First of all OP, this is a perfect starting 20k hands, you couldn't ask for much better at all. You now have a great basis with very few leaks, just solid nitty play which a lot of players skip, or miss out on a lot of basics. Now, like you posted this, you can just look for ways to improve and build on this great starting strategy which is hard to apply in game.

I would suggest stealing blinds a bit more, slowly adding in hands to your pre flop repetoire. ANd I agree, theres not really much more you can do at 2NL, you don't want to open up too much, as you move up just slowly throw in more hands, increase your 3-betting range pre flop, increase your cold calling range and defend your blinds a little more. Just do it a little bit at a time and watch your results closely. I also suggest reading some great articles found on this site in the Small Stakes forums, which have a lot of info about what hands to play out of the blinds and some great ways to play them. I reccommend Ryan Fee's guide the most, that helped me a lot.

Anyway well done, you started well, you've got a great basis, now you just gotta move up and improve, but SLOWLY. Just small steps at a time, doing too much will just destroy everything, especially at low limits.
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Old 01-05-2009, 02:39 PM   #115
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Re: First 20,000 Hands.

pretty good, but try to loose up a but imo, like up to 14vpip.

Otherwise look for someone who will steak you for NL10 at least, you will beat them as hell.

GL!
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Old 01-05-2009, 03:29 PM   #116
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Anyway well done, you started well, you've got a great basis, now you just gotta move up and improve, but SLOWLY. Just small steps at a time, doing too much will just destroy everything, especially at low limits.

QFT

You are right about that....I have made that mistake in the past, it is very important to have a solid base. You think your doing great then lose 6 or 7 BI at the higher stakes and your world crumbles.
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Old 01-05-2009, 08:03 PM   #117
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

Do you think it is easier to tighten up your game or loosen it up?

I started out pretty loose and am trying to tighten up but after playing sessions that I thought I was very tight in I still seem to end up with a VPIP of 23-25 on regular occasions.
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Old 01-06-2009, 01:57 AM   #118
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

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isn't ABC poker being Nitty?
Yes, but TAG isn't.

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23-25 on regular occasions.
That's strange. I think I play very loose, but still end up with 18% vpip =(
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Old 01-06-2009, 06:06 AM   #119
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Re: ** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

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Good: You seem to be getting to showdown the right amount and winning a decent frequency. You don't call or fold too much.

Bad: You steal more than you used to but still not enough. Force yourself to play more hands in position, either by raising weaker hands on the button or somtimes cold calling with speculative hands. Out of position is fine but stop open limping and raise or fold.

Your game is heading in the right direction and you have an ok winrate too. Just be a little more positionally aware and increase your postflop aggression is little and you'll be fine.
Nice one Squirrels, thanks for the comments, I'll look at increasing my aggression in position but it's good to know i'm playing ok from the blinds...having a day off now just to do some more reading up, back into it tomorrow!
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Old 01-06-2009, 08:04 AM   #120
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1st 10k at 10NL (stats+graph)

HI

Im looking for some help. I started a couple of months ago at 5NL and beat tht for 17BB/100 and after reading tht 5NL and 10NL are basically the same i stepped up and as you can see from my stats it hasnt been pretty. So I'd like you to to have a look and if you see anything wrong that could be losing me money then id greatly appreciate it.

http://s460.photobucket.com/albums/q...=1000010NL.jpg

http://s460.photobucket.com/albums/q...layerStats.jpg

http://s460.photobucket.com/albums/q...NLPosStats.jpg


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Old 01-06-2009, 08:06 AM   #121
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Re: 1st 10k at 10NL (stats+graph)

Graph? Position stats from HEM or PT?
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Old 01-06-2009, 08:10 AM   #122
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Re: 1st 10k at 10NL (stats+graph)

I don't play 6 max but here are your graphs...for some reason I couldn't get your links to show here so I had to copy them to my photobucket...I'll be deleting tomorrow,,,





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Old 01-06-2009, 08:12 AM   #123
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Re: 1st 10k at 10NL (stats+graph)

Thanks starscream1101 ive been tryng to figure out how to do tht
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Old 01-06-2009, 12:54 PM   #124
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Re: 1st 10k at 10NL (stats+graph)

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Im looking for some help. I started a couple of months ago at 5NL and beat tht for 17BB/100 and after reading tht 5NL and 10NL are basically the same i stepped up and as you can see from my stats it hasnt been pretty. So I'd like you to to have a look and if you see anything wrong that could be losing me money then id greatly appreciate it.
Hey Joe,

You seem to be losing all of your cash in the BB and SB. Trying tighting up your play when in these positions. Trying only playing +22, AQs, and AK when in the SB or BB and see if that will help you increase your BR. Also take a look at your 5nl game, what did you change from 5nl when you went to 10nl? Chances are you are doing something different at 10nl than you were at 5nl and that is most likely your leak.
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Old 01-11-2009, 02:03 PM   #125
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NL10 Getting stomped - but am I really such a bad player?

I've been only a reader at this great forum for a while, but now my desperation forces me to break my silence. With my limited experience, I feel like I'm playing decent poker for this level, and the stats of most of my opponents say they would have no chance of being winning players in the long run. (Often having a VPIP in the 40-60 range and a PFR of <15.) Even so I seem to be losing a lot.

Playing £0.05/0.10 NLHE at William Hill. Using HEM, and my main stats for the first 12k hands are:



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Any help and suggestions are greatly appreciated!
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