** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

[checkmate36]

I would think this would make a pretty good sticky. It would def be a good thread for new players looking to improve.

[sundevilfish]

Hey guys,

Would you be able to analyze my stats? I multi-table 6.50 Turbo STT, about 4 at a time on poker stars.

[sundevilfish]

ahhh u know what I just realized I only have 7K hands, I'll repost after 3000 more.

[RoSeeker]

SnGs are also more difficult to analye through stats as many other factors affect your decisions. As such, I suggest making a video of yourself playing a few tables with commentary or posting your hand histories (with pokerxfactor player).

[pepito]

perhaps some food for thought and a little evidence against the common complaint that "nobody folds" at uNL full ring.



i regularly run at 100NL and 200NL FR while occasionally playing 6max (where ironically i am forced to tighten up).

played 5K hands at 25NL to teach a friend to that uNL full ring was playable as a seeming "reckless" LAG and wasnt "suicide". 5K hands is admittedly a small sample size, but many sessions i ran as high as 40/30 ostensibly exposing me to greater variance and more marginal spots than an average TAG running 20/18.

cliff:
-microstakes players do fold.
-ironically, easier to steal blinds relentlessly in FR than 6max.

[Slimtobi]

-ironically, easier to steal blinds relentlessly in FR than 6max.

very ironic

btw, nice upswong there

[Lego05]

Originally Posted by pepito

-ironically, easier to steal blinds relentlessly in FR than 6max.

Doesn't seem ironic to me. Seems logical.


You won't get as many chances to steal at full ring but when you do get a chance to steal you'll probably have a higher success rate because doesn't it make sense that people playing full ring will probably defend and 3bet less often than people playing 6max? It makes sense to me.

[pepito]

you conflated "successful steal attempt" with "attempt to steal %".

2P2 orthodoxy provides that FR preflop ranges should be tighter while 6max preflop ranges ought be looser. hence, the irony in such a seemingly ridiculous high attempt to steal blinds %. moreover, PT2 only counts open raises on the button and CO as steal attempts, so the stat does not include instances of attacking limpers from MP to the HJ.

try searching micro FR stat threads for any examples of players running 30/20 with an attempt to steal blind % as high as 64%. it is unlikely youll find many.

[Lego05]

Originally Posted by pepito

-ironically, easier to steal blinds relentlessly in FR than 6max.

Originally Posted by pepito

you conflated "successful steal attempt" with "attempt to steal %".

2P2 orthodoxy provides that FR preflop ranges should be tighter while 6max preflop ranges ought be looser. hence, the irony in such a seemingly ridiculous high attempt to steal blinds %. moreover, PT2 only counts open raises on the button and CO as steal attempts, so the stat does not include instances of attacking limpers from MP to the HJ.

try searching micro FR stat threads for any examples of players running 30/20 with an attempt to steal blind % as high as 64%. it is unlikely youll find many.

Easier to steal the blinds implies success rate. There's no such thing as easier to attempt to steal. I could attempt to steal the blinds 100% if I wanted. If one says the blinds are easier to steal then another would expect him to be talking about a high success rate.

Originally Posted by pepito

2P2 orthodoxy provides that FR preflop ranges should be tighter while 6max preflop ranges ought be looser.

This is exactly why it is easier to steal at full ring. Sure you will probably get less attempts but the attempts you get will succeed at a higher rate because the players in the blinds will on average play a tighter range than players at 6max would ... meaning they will fold to your steal attempts more often.



If I played full ring with all the nits there I would imagine my ATS % would be very high since a lot of the players I'd be playing would likely be very tight ... and likely would fold their blinds. Of course I also imagine I would get many fewer opportunities.

[Shick]

Originally Posted by Lego05

If I played full ring with all the nits there I would imagine my ATS % would be very high since a lot of the players I'd be playing would likely be very tight ... and likely would fold their blinds. Of course I also imagine I would get many fewer opportunities.

IIRC, your ATTS% is pretty high already.

[MrKite]

I have been playing several years off and on in the micros...grinding my first PP account up from $100 to $600 before it was closed, transferred about $150 from that into stars and grinded that up to about $1k before I decided I really needed to buy a Gibson!

Anyway, I started getting the itch again and ended up hitting a mtt freeroll for $3 and decided to see if I could grind it up from the 2nls.

Overall I'm happy with how things have gone - my main concern is my NSD$ being so negative. My 25nl has been choppy mostly when I was trying some things out to correct my NSD$. When I play my normal game without worrying about it, I do fine. At what stakes should the NSD$ be expected to turn around?

As far as the rest of the stats go, this is the first time I've ever taken them too seriously - I've been using PT for about the past month now to try it out and would appreciate any insights that can be learned from the data so far.

Thanks very much!


By mrkite08 at 2008-12-16


By mrkite08 at 2008-12-16


By mrkite08 at 2008-12-16

[irungood]

Or do I play bad and get lucky? I'm not too sure anymore... =/

I play .10/.25 NL






Any legit criticism would be greatly appreciated.

[Lego05]

You realize you have a very solid winrate over that sample, right?

[otatop]

Originally Posted by Lego05

You realize you have a very solid winrate over that sample, right?

This, but it looks like you bluff too much and go to showdown with bad hands too often.

[deathduck]

His showdown winnings aren't too bad considering this laggish style. It looks like most of the $ you make is from picking good spots to put pressure on opponents. Keep it up, your doing fine imo. If things go south for the next 10k hands then you need some considerations.