** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

[ArtySmokes]

There's no real criticism to give here, Matt. These numbers are really excellent. Everything is within the recommended ranges.
I've not played Zoom for a while, but your flop and turn aggression seem a little high (you must be barrelling with air quite often) for 2NL (where you don't have to push it quite so hard to make money), but these are the sort of stats that should lead you to also crush at higher stakes.
Great work and move up when you feel ready!

[matt_88]

tx, Arty. So my flop and turn cbets are not to high?

[ulrichw]

Originally Posted by matt_88

tx, Arty. So my flop and turn cbets are not to high?

Matt,

I'd say looking at your chart, your leaks (and I'd say everybody has leaks) are beyond what the basic stats can easily show.

My first reaction would be that your cbet % does look high, but looking at your graph, you have a close to flat red line and a positive blue line, which is a heck of an accomplishment at 2NL. More common would be a declining red line and positive blue line. Higher aggression usually benefits the red line, but you end up folding out hands which you could have gotten more value from, which would be reflected in a mediocre blue line, which doesn't seem to be the case in your graph. So you're managing to find a level of aggression that's still leaving you with enough value to profit.

You would probably benefit most from filtering your stats down to specific situations to see how they're playing out for you.

For example, if your hypothesis is that your flop cbet % may be high, try looking at your cbet hand histories and try to identify situations which are losers for you and avoid those situations when you're playing. (e.g., filter by number of opponents, position, pre-flop action, board texture, bluffs vs. made hands, etc.)

One challenge with this is that you may not have a big enough sample set to get meaningful results if you set the situations to be too specific, so this may be an ongoing task rather than something you can get all the answers for immediately.

Edit: one more thought - one thing that may be interesting is to see whether your stats change if you filter out the first 7k-8k hands, since it looks like you may have changed your style a little over time.

[DasCoupe]

Had a great start to the month (15bb/100 over 2500 hands) and then yesterday it all went down the crapper.. ran into the top of EVERYONE's range... 50+vpip players were showing sets & flopped straights...

Oh well!

Stats look OK for FR 2nl?

[ArtySmokes]

Firstly I echo everything ulrichw said. Great analysis.

Originally Posted by matt_88

tx, Arty. So my flop and turn cbets are not to high?

I think they are a little high for 2NL. I noticed that your c-bet success rate is only 50%, so you're probably betting on some flops where a check-fold might be better (e.g. you have AKo on T97tt which connects strongly with a pre-flop caller's range) but unlike many players at these stakes (myself included) you have the heart to fire another barrel. If you had 80% for c-bet, but only 30% for turn c-bet (what I call a "one and done c-bet merchant"), I would float the hell out of you and steal on the turn. Since you maintain the aggression, it's very hard for opponents to call down with marginal hands. This aggression should stand in you in good stead at higher stakes where many players will give up anything but a monster in the face of 2 barrels.

[ArtySmokes]

Originally Posted by DasCoupe

Stats look OK for FR 2nl?

Yep. Solid, but post the full positional stats if you can once you've got 10,000 total hands.

[montabarnak]

FULLRING cashgame ultra microlimit obv: (16444 hands, i know its not a lot but my hem trial finish soon)

VP$P: 14,4
PFR: 7,7
3bet: 2,1
WTSD%: 21,8
M$S%: 57,5
Agg: 6,49
Agg%: 40,9

bb/100: 12,47

probably my 3bet% is too low but i dont know what hands range for 3betting.

if i need to add more stats for a better help, just tell me. ty

[Mr Beer]

I suggest you get your positional stats report and display it here because positional unawareness is usually the most obvious problems for winning beginners (non-winning beginners have other, bigger problems).

Your VPIP/PFR gap is too big, you should be raising with more hands. Something like 14/11 would be better.

[montabarnak]

here it is. and what kind of hands i should raising with?

late position i normally raise with: Asuited, KQ, 44-55 depend on the vilain. and early: i limp Asuited, 77+, KQs-J10s. and i raise fkn a lot with monsters, a bit too much but i hate being suckout and it works well when i raise x6-7-8-9bb for the moment. with JJ-99 i choke and i just raise 4-5bb

[montabarnak]

pictures working ? it seems to not working ?!

[montabarnak]

[Mr Beer]

OK, by position:

SB: 30.1/6.7: way too much calling. Stop doing that. Just call with pairs and say AJ/AQ and raise with say QQ+/AK or similar. If you think someone is stealing, feel free to 3-bet them, it's way better than calling. This is probably the worst played position you have.

BB: You should be raising more, if no-one else has raised and you have a hand you can play heads-up against a villain like broadways or ATo or 99, you should be raising.

EP: OK, don't open limp. Or if you do, which I don't recommend, only do so with pairs, no suited connectors or suited aces.

MP: same as EP, you should be slightly looser here so say you are not opening AJ or ATs in EP, open them here. So consider opening a couple more hands.

CO: too tight, add a few hands.

BTN: definitely too tight, add more hands. This is the position that you need to work on most after the SB.

In the BTN, if no-one has come in ahead of you can open something like: any pair, any two broadway, any suited ace, A9o + A8o and suited connectors down to 54s. Tighten up if the blinds are station-y (so maybe drop the weaker suited aces and SCs) and if the blinds are nits open to ATC until they adjust.

None of this stuff is set in stone by the way, there is no one hand chart or game book that can tell you what to open where. You need to adjust to the table conditions and also to what you are comfortable with. Some people are happy to open 22 or JTs or ATo UTG in a FR game. I am not.

[montabarnak]

thank you very much

[ArtySmokes]

I'd like to see your post-flop stats too. I think you're playing fit-or-fold, as your WTSD is low, while your AF is very high. What is your flop c-bet%? The high W$SD would lead me to believe you only go to showdown with absolute monsters. While this can be fine at 2NL, at higher stakes you'll have to learn to get value with marginal holdings.
Are you making money by limping Axs? I see lots of people limping hands like A3s in EP, but they rarely have very good winrates. Can you use the Holecards report and see if it's working out for you?

[Dodevu]

Mostly 6NL and some 10NL, would appreciate any advice thank you