** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

[Tarkyo]

Are there still fish in the micro stakes? I see everyone playing so tight! Had 2 aces and everyone just check fold to my bet.

[nchi88]

ye there are but i hoverd @ 100nl a few times and only saw like 1-2 out of my 8 tables. its more exploiting regs lol. 50nl there is still a handful.

[seoulken]

Originally Posted by Tarkyo

Are there still fish in the micro stakes? I see everyone playing so tight! Had 2 aces and everyone just check fold to my bet.

Let's see your stats.

[Mr Beer]

Originally Posted by Tarkyo

Are there still fish in the micro stakes? I see everyone playing so tight! Had 2 aces and everyone just check fold to my bet.

Tight doesn't mean they are not fish. Also, even loose fish fold sometimes, yes even when you got dealt AA...not fair I know but it happens.

[ArtySmokes]

Originally Posted by Tarkyo

Had 2 aces and everyone just check fold to my bet.

I don't think you can come to the conclusion that there are no fish at 2NL based on the results of one hand.
But it's staggering how nitty some games are now. 10 years ago, new players were told by the books to "only play one in five hands". 5 years ago it had become "Only play about 15% of hands". Now there are profitable players with an VPIP of less than 10%!

[Tarkyo]

Let's see your stats.

How?

Tight doesn't mean they are not fish. Also, even loose fish fold sometimes, yes even when you got dealt AA...not fair I know but it happens.

Yup! Haha! Patience I guess?

I don't think you can come to the conclusion that there are no fish at 2NL based on the results of one hand.
But it's staggering how nitty some games are now. 10 years ago, new players were told by the books to "only play one in five hands". 5 years ago it had become "Only play about 15% of hands". Now there are profitable players with an VPIP of less than 10%!

Okay! And I think eating up the BB is good also? Haha!

[Lucksmyth]

Here's the link to my stats. Excluding the tiny 50NL sample, the rest of the hands are from full ring. These stats span back to over a year ago. Should I filter the results to show hands from only the last two to three months?

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/4999/2month.jpg

[ArtySmokes]

Originally Posted by Lucksmyth

Here's the link to my stats. Excluding the tiny 50NL sample, the rest of the hands are from full ring. These stats span back to over a year ago. Should I filter the results to show hands from only the last two to three months?

Imageshack may be on the blink because I'm only seeing the overall stats at the mo.
Everything looks solid over that sample size. Your c-bet % is a little low (65% would be closer to optimal), but nothing to worry about too much. Since you have a c-bet success rate of over 50%, you could probably be betting even more flops. If you bet 60% of the pot on the flop, you only need to take it down 37.5% of the time to break even. When villains are folding as often as half the time, you can do it even more often. Even a half pot bet with air will be profitable.

Since I can't see the recent figures, maybe you can compare them with the overall ones (which are, as I said, fine). Are there any major discrepancies? Have you reduced/increased your aggression recently, for example? It's amazing how a few percentage points either way can alter a winrate.

[Lucksmyth]

I compared the stats I listed with my stats from the last two months. Here are the major differences I noted:

3bet call % went down 5%
Squeeze % went up .3%
Aggression Factor went up .44
cbet% went up 2%, seeing a 1% increase in success
Small blind and big blind resteals went down .2% and .8% respectively.

Aside from the aggression factor change, the other changes should honestly have helped my game or at least reduced variance from it. Do you think the .44 increase in AF could be a leak? I'm sure there is some spew in there, but the added aggression more than likely comes from having more knowledge on which spots to apply pressure and which spots not to apply pressure. The TAG style I've developed should flourish at around a 2.5 AF.

[Declanisfolding]

I struggled with the move up from 2nl to 5nl for a while.
I think I was being way too passive and giving undue credit to villains.


I have re-adjusted my play over the last 10000 or so hands with positive results.

Stats are below, I would welcome any advice on where I need to improve/adjust more:

[ArtySmokes]

Originally Posted by Lucksmyth

Aside from the aggression factor change, the other changes should honestly have helped my game or at least reduced variance from it.

Agreed. The minor changes shouldn't have altered your overall winrate significantly. The 3-bet call stat is interesting though. Did it decline because your 4-bet % went up, or are you just making more disciplined folds (not a bad thing)?
If you've been getting AA and KK more often than usual, but losing to coolers, that can have a surprisingly strong effect on your winrate. Equally, if you've had aces and kings less often than usual for 5000 hands or so, your winrate can fall by 5bb/100, since those hands are usually so profitable.
If you've flopped sets less often than expected, that can also impact your bottom line.
Remember that's it's perfectly possible for winning players to have breakeven stretches of 100k hands, so you probably have nothing to worry about. The same play style that was winning for you in the past will no doubt do so again in the near future.

[ArtySmokes]

Originally Posted by Declanisfolding

Stats are below, I would welcome any advice on where I need to improve/adjust more:

No advice necessary. From a quick look at the stats, everything is solid, and you're crushing the game. You'll be moving up as soon as the bankroll allows. At 10NL you might need your PFR figure to be closer to your VPIP%, but right now, they are fine. Well played!

[chad0x001]

26/22/5.4 3bet 22k hands
- my 6max stats - seem ok?

[ArtySmokes]

Fine Chad, absolutely fine.
In 6max, your post-flop skills are more important anyway, seeing as you're seeing more flops than you would in a full ring game.

[Lucksmyth]

Originally Posted by ArtySmokes

Agreed. The minor changes shouldn't have altered your overall winrate significantly. The 3-bet call stat is interesting though. Did it decline because your 4-bet % went up, or are you just making more disciplined folds (not a bad thing)?
If you've been getting AA and KK more often than usual, but losing to coolers, that can have a surprisingly strong effect on your winrate. Equally, if you've had aces and kings less often than usual for 5000 hands or so, your winrate can fall by 5bb/100, since those hands are usually so profitable.
If you've flopped sets less often than expected, that can also impact your bottom line.
Remember that's it's perfectly possible for winning players to have breakeven stretches of 100k hands, so you probably have nothing to worry about. The same play style that was winning for you in the past will no doubt do so again in the near future.

I'd definitely say that I've had AA and KK run into a lot of coolers lately. There's obviously a portion of those that I could have gotten away from But I'd still say they've been getting cracked an abnormal amount. Things have turned around over the last 10k hands though. But the ~50k hands prior was either my largest downsing or my longest C-game streak yet. It's amazing how much better you play when you're running good. Confidence sure plays a huge role.

Thanks for your responses!