** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **

[KillerSOS]

Originally Posted by Sworaven

I think it's better to check your stats day by day when you're making adjustments. Otherwise you'll end up playing weirdly because you're overadjusting just to get your avg down. Just tighten up a bit.

I don't really think 500 hands can show a VP avg, as that is about all I play per day as I only 2 table. too much variance in the overall cards you will receive

[Leroy_Jenkins45]

you can run a filter to show your last session or two . As long as your mentally focused on lowering it and not overadjusting like Sworaven said , you should be fine imo .

[fabadam]

I play nearly only 6-max, and I make notes about players that play loose from specifically UTG. There is some meme going around of "UTG is the new button for stealing" - I some times get players where the VPIP UTG/HI/CO/BT is along the lines of 35/15/20/32. Against these guys, I 3-bet from the blinds with whatever I fancy.

Also, I nearly always make a short review of my daily stats (which can be anything between 500 and 2000 hands) and check whether my feelings reflect the actual stats.
My daily VPIP/PFR goes from 20/17 thru 32/26, depending on game conditions (I often play a significant bit HU or 3-handed because I like to start tables).

[gothninja]

Originally Posted by fabadam

I play nearly only 6-max, and I make notes about players that play loose from specifically UTG. There is some meme going around of "UTG is the new button for stealing" - I some times get players where the VPIP UTG/HI/CO/BT is along the lines of 35/15/20/32. Against these guys, I 3-bet from the blinds with whatever I fancy.

3betting these guys from the button (or anywhere else for that matter) is much more profitable than from the blinds because they're less likely to call, and when they do you have position.

But you're right - the UTG raising stat is getting silly, and it is becoming common to see players raising more from UTG than anywhere else - I guess because they have a simplistic raise-first-in strategy without position awareness and ofc they're more likely to be first in UTG. I don't know why these guys get away with it so much.

I always punish a loose UTG raiser by 3 betting from any position whenever I can - often with any 2 cards on the button - until I'm told not to (usually by other players who want to isolate them even more than me).

[Kua2]

Here are my stats and my graph for June.
They are at nl2 FR in pokerstars





Any major leak that you can find there?

thx a lot.

[fabadam]

Kua2: That is a magnificent graph, nice brag (and runhot near the end). I hardly thought it possible to have both red and blue graph positive at NL2.
Your stats could also be cut out just like this and put in a book "How to beat the nanos". Nothing special there, just really consistent tight aggressive play and you are destroying NL2. The only minor remark is that I think you could probably do a bit more value betting on the river (just throw in some small 1/4 pot bets where you think they'll call with their lower 1 pair hands here and there I guess), because your river Agg% is a bit low.
The main reason NOT to make such bets is that people can bluff check-raise you off your hand, but NOBODY bluff check-raises at NL2, so whenever you do get check-raised, you can just fold.

[Kua2]

Originally Posted by fabadam

Kua2: That is a magnificent graph, nice brag (and runhot near the end). I hardly thought it possible to have both red and blue graph positive at NL2.
Your stats could also be cut out just like this and put in a book "How to beat the nanos". Nothing special there, just really consistent tight aggressive play and you are destroying NL2. The only minor remark is that I think you could probably do a bit more value betting on the river (just throw in some small 1/4 pot bets where you think they'll call with their lower 1 pair hands here and there I guess), because your river Agg% is a bit low.
The main reason NOT to make such bets is that people can bluff check-raise you off your hand, but NOBODY bluff check-raises at NL2, so whenever you do get check-raised, you can just fold.

thanks for your answer
I'll remember to do some more river value betting when I feel I'm ahead, hopefully it will turn out right.
I've moved to nl5 now, hopefully by the end of the month I'll post a new graph and stats to see if I'm still doing things right.

[fabadam]

Originally Posted by Kua2

I'll remember to do some more river value betting when I feel I'm ahead, hopefully it will turn out right.

The basic rule for value betting the river is quite simple, assuming you will fold to a raise (because you'll be beat, nobody bluff check-raises the river at this level): you shoud win >50% of the time when you get called or raised.

There are tons of opportunities when you just know people will call a small bet with top pair-bad kicker or a lower 1 pair hand. So you can value bet your TPTK/overpair in these situations.

[Bubba Kush]

Hey guys,

Here's my stats from my first 10k 6 tabling 2NL. Looking for help identifying any leaks. I can see I've been playing too many hands from the blinds, something I'm going to work on. But what else do I need to work on?

Graph:


Position:


Other stats:


I'm happy to post any other stats that are needed.

[Leroy_Jenkins45]

I cant seem to open the pics to expand them . Can you rehost them larger maybe ?

[Bubba Kush]

Oops, this should be better

Graph:


Position:


Stats:

[fabadam]

Bubba Kush:
Preflop, you are insufficiently position aware. You are playing tight in EP, which is OK, but you should open up way more in CO and button. This is partly because you are not stealing nearly enough: your steal% should be AT LEAST 30%, if youre just value raising in steal position. Probably also iso-raise a lot more.
Postflop, you are a bit too passive. It looks like you pretty much only bet when you hit. Cbet% is on the low side, though not so much. Overall AF is worse than Agg%, which indicates you call too much. Especially you are not folding to raises enough: raises are only bluffs from obvious maniacs at NL2.
With your tight preflop hand selection, you should be winning most postflop fights on sheer hand strength -- value bet your A high hands much more.

[Bubba Kush]

Thanks fabadam,

Off to play today's session with your advice in mind. I agree with everything you said but I have a couple of questions.

What kind of spots am I looking for to iso-raise and when should I not?

Post flop I pretty much am only betting when I hit, I'm drawing or got two decent overs. I thought this was standard for beating 2NL. Should I mix it up a bit?

When you say I'm not folding to raisers enough post flop. Is that meaning opening raises or people re-raising me, basically should I be calling cbets from high cbet'ers when I'm IP with a draw or overs?

Thanks again for the help.

[fabadam]

Originally Posted by Bubba Kush

Thanks fabadam,

Off to play today's session with your advice in mind. I agree with everything you said but I have a couple of questions.

What kind of spots am I looking for to iso-raise and when should I not?

Post flop I pretty much am only betting when I hit, I'm drawing or got two decent overs. I thought this was standard for beating 2NL. Should I mix it up a bit?

When you say I'm not folding to raisers enough post flop. Is that meaning opening raises or people re-raising me, basically should I be calling cbets from high cbet'ers when I'm IP with a draw or overs?

Thanks again for the help.

(1) Iso-raise a single limper whenever you have a hand you would have opened. Add 1 bb to your normal raise size. You can do more, but that's a start. Don't iso-raise with trash. Be careful if there's a frequent 3-better behind you.
(2) Postflop, I bet pretty much everytime when my range is ahead of villain's range, even if I'm not folding out hands I beat. In my experience, protecting your hand works. If villain won't fold, so much the better, now it's a straight value bet.
(3) I specifically meant you "Fold Flop To a Raise%". When people raise postflop at NL2, it's almost always TPTK or better.
(4) Floating in position works well for me, but you must find the right opponents for it. Many nitty players give up after one barrel.

[RedGladiator]

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Hi guys, I'm back with a bigger sample, i included more stats with my EV stats. Still playing 0.01/0.02 looking to plug leaks and move up. These are my lifetime stats.
I've been working on opening my button range last few sessions.

Hoping to break even soon. I'm starting to hate poker