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03-22-2014 , 03:07 PM
Hello everyone, posted the stats of my first 10k hands some time ago, got some feedback, adjusted (or tried to) my game according to the advice and now that I've played 10k more hands, decided to post again. I'm posting the stats for the first 10k, the stats of the last 10k (maybe I'm over-adjusting), and overall (the 20k hands). My game is still 2NLz FR.

First, the first 10k hands I played
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Now, the stats for the last 10k hands I played. I think they are most trusty stats, since I'm comfortable with my game, I think I'm playing better, and getting better results, unless someone finds huge leaks or something, I'll be playing similar as this 10k hands.





My 20k hands stats
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Thanks!
btw, decided to take out all winnings-related stats (net won, bb/100, etc), since I found it a bit tilting, giving the awful run I had in my first hands. If they are needed, I have no problem in posting them.
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04-21-2014 , 01:28 AM
Needing help, obviously I'm bad...





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04-21-2014 , 11:46 AM
@ thoughtsymmetry, your pre-flop stats are decent, but you're basically too aggro post-flop. Try checking a few flops (especially when OOP), whether you have a hand or not. You'll increase your blueline winnings (and make more money overall) if you pick better spots to c-bet and double barrel. There's also some money to be made from inducing bluffs and value-bets by worse hands.
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04-21-2014 , 06:58 PM
Gut Shot, your most obviously problem is a near-total lack of positional awareness. You pretty much play the same cards from every position, this is a massive leak. Get hold of some basic hand charts, read up on position and make yourself some charts, then use them.

I'm going to pimp Verneer's "moving up through unl 2010", mainly because when I used his pre-flop ranges instead of my own, I doubled my win rate.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...2010-a-676130/

I can't tell what stakes you are playing, but you may want to drop down a level or two? At least until you can internalise a better preflop game.

You're spewing money at showdown, I don't know whether this is because you are too sticky when faced with aggression or you try to blow people off hands too much when they don't want to fold. Either way, you are seeing too many showdowns with the second best hand.

I think that if you sort out your pre-flop butchery though, you'll find postflop will automatically improve. You're probably raising like KTo or A8o or whatever from UTG and then you run into kicker issues when you flop top pair. Meanwhile on the button you are giving the blinds a free pass, when instead you should be making their lives miserable. The blinds should be relentlessly bullied, not allowed to just donk around having fun, that's not how to play poker.

Last edited by WereBeer; 04-21-2014 at 07:07 PM.
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04-22-2014 , 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
@ thoughtsymmetry, your pre-flop stats are decent, but you're basically too aggro post-flop. Try checking a few flops (especially when OOP), whether you have a hand or not. You'll increase your blueline winnings (and make more money overall) if you pick better spots to c-bet and double barrel. There's also some money to be made from inducing bluffs and value-bets by worse hands.
Cool, thanks. Since I posted those stats I played 10k more hands, and I recognized myself as an 'aggro donk'.
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04-22-2014 , 02:02 PM
hi all

been playing on and off for a year i think.
i'd like to find out what my leaks are and how to improve my game.
even after 60k hands and my graph still up but i dont feel like i'm winning, more like nut paddling button clicking.

one of the most annoying thing for me in game is when i'm on the BTN (or late position) with good hand like AKs, it's folded to me and i make standard raise (3bb)
then the flop comes very low cards like 369r. now i don't know how to continue. the most familiar scenario is i'd cbet flop (1/2 pot) check turn
and if i go to showdown, villain almost always shows random hand like J6o which have me beat btw. i find this extremely tilting.

and lately i even feel like i'm playing my hands face-up.
it's like the opponent always know when i have something or i am airballing.
i think there's some psychology to it. so if you could point it out for me i would be very grateful.

first graph consisted of mostly 2NL 6-max, a few 5NL 6-max and very little 2NL FR.
you can see about after 20k hand i had collected 20BIs for 5NL and took shot at it and then gotten crushed so i moved back down since.


positional graph 1


and positional graph 2


thank you very much.
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04-23-2014 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
Gut Shot, your most obviously problem is a near-total lack of positional awareness. You pretty much play the same cards from every position, this is a massive leak. Get hold of some basic hand charts, read up on position and make yourself some charts, then use them.

I'm going to pimp Verneer's "moving up through unl 2010", mainly because when I used his pre-flop ranges instead of my own, I doubled my win rate.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...2010-a-676130/

I can't tell what stakes you are playing, but you may want to drop down a level or two? At least until you can internalise a better preflop game.

You're spewing money at showdown, I don't know whether this is because you are too sticky when faced with aggression or you try to blow people off hands too much when they don't want to fold. Either way, you are seeing too many showdowns with the second best hand.

I think that if you sort out your pre-flop butchery though, you'll find postflop will automatically improve. You're probably raising like KTo or A8o or whatever from UTG and then you run into kicker issues when you flop top pair. Meanwhile on the button you are giving the blinds a free pass, when instead you should be making their lives miserable. The blinds should be relentlessly bullied, not allowed to just donk around having fun, that's not how to play poker.
Thank you so much for this analysis and the link to Verneer's thread. I've read quite a bit of it so far but I have a lot more to read. I like his thoughts as he works through ranges and it will be something that I'm going to implement. These stats are via 10nl zoom and I have currently self-excluded myself for a short period because I kept having to re-deposit and blew through deposits. How can you tell that I'm going to showdown with second best hands? I also have the tendency to try and bluff people off hands, not believe them or be more sticky than I need to be. I read somewhere on Verneers thread that if you want to beat people keep trying to win hands but if you want to make money just fold and move on to the next hand, where hopefully you can be value betting someone else most likely weaker. Is there anything else that you can tell by my stats? Looking at and comparing to Verneer's I think I need to open more in the CO and button, also probably fold to more 3 bets OOP and work on my sb/bb stats.
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04-23-2014 , 02:00 AM
Your blue line on the graph is 'money won at showdown', that's negative. Checking your stats it looks like you win just over 50% of the pots you take to showdown? So then, it's that you lose big pots at showdown that's the problem. I guess you overplay your hands like they're the nuts when they are not...all the money goes in and you are no good.

Other stats, yeah CO & BTN should definitely more aggressive. But it all falls under the banner of getting your positional play sorted out.

Avoiding calling 3bets OOP is good. The main exception I make is if the villain min 3bets and I opened for value. Then I figure I have odds to flop a monster. The other one is if it's deep and I can call the raise for 20:1 effective or 15:1 if they are a total spew monkey.
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04-25-2014 , 03:54 PM
Hi everyone,

i am interested in posting my stats but my sample size is low and do not want to waste everyones time. I currently have a 9k hand sample. Is that enough? if not, how many hands should i aim for before posting? not entirely worried on my game just want to have weak spots pointed out

Thanks!
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04-25-2014 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by GCheng
Hi everyone,

i am interested in posting my stats but my sample size is low and do not want to waste everyones time. I currently have a 9k hand sample. Is that enough? if not, how many hands should i aim for before posting? not entirely worried on my game just want to have weak spots pointed out

Thanks!
First post ITT says 10K hands.

You can post a thread in this forum if you like and people will look at your stats as they are or wait til you have 10K and post ITT.
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04-27-2014 , 03:16 PM
I have just started to play poker, and I think I am doing okay for a newbie, but I obviously must have some leaks (well, I am losing...). I have made a couple of hand history posts here on the forum, and tried to learn from the feedback (i.e. bet sizing). I have also read "Building a bankroll" by Verneer. I feel like I understand most of the content, and I am not sure where to go from here. I know I have been too tempted to call all ins on river (lost many big blinds according to PT), so I have started to be more cautious there.

What should I be doing differently from the blinds?

Can someone please comment on my stats?




Thanks!
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04-29-2014 , 04:07 PM
Played 5nl zoom FR for 1½ months now - this is stats for the last 30k hands, played this month after I fixed some errors.

I'm hoping that someone can point out either something obvious that I do wrong, or if theres anything I need to pay more attention to.

Are there some stats that are missing for you to look at - then plz let me know and I'll post them

Graph:


Stats:


Thx in advance
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05-03-2014 , 05:26 PM
hi all, havent posted jet here, so i'm curious about your thoughts on my stats. it looks to me i need to cbet flop more and def work on playing from the blinds?





thanks!
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05-05-2014 , 04:50 AM
I know i was playing bad sometimes (maybe tilting), sometimes i was playing too many hours or too many tables. Am i having bad luck?







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05-05-2014 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by pattawee

one of the most annoying thing for me in game is when i'm on the BTN (or late position) with good hand like AKs, it's folded to me and i make standard raise (3bb)
then the flop comes very low cards like 369r. now i don't know how to continue. the most familiar scenario is i'd cbet flop (1/2 pot) check turn
and if i go to showdown, villain almost always shows random hand like J6o which have me beat btw. i find this extremely tilting.
.

So what, let it happen, and just fold, its not a big deal because this will statistically not be happening very much. Just don't forget there are so many better spots to exploit, and you can't win every hand even with good hole cards. I just got over it although it can be annoying if it keeps happening for a while.
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05-09-2014 , 09:35 PM
Hi, so i am only just starting out on the road of Cash Games.

10NL , 10K Hands.

thoughts on possible leaks in my game if any wouldn't mind to comment please.

thank you.

1 thing i noticed looking at my stats is that im to passive/limping in the SB.
this is the 1st time i have really looked at my stats,as i just wanted to play 10K and then find out where my leaks are.



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05-15-2014 , 10:44 PM
I just played 50k (49371) hands of 50NL 6max Rush.

Here are my stats:





VPIP: 18.7
PFR: 14.4
3Bet: 5.04
W$WSF% 44.5
WTSD% 25.8
W$SD% 54
AGG 2.47
AGG% 36.5

Flop CBet 67.9
Turn CBet 46.3
River CBet 37.7

Fold to Flop CBet 46.6
Fold to Turn CBet 36.1
Fold to River CBet 66.1

Raise Flop CBet 9.0
Raise Turn CBet 17.9
Raise River CBet 13.6

Squeeze 5.7

vs 3Bet Fold 52.1
vs 3Bet Call 31.5
4bet 16.5

vs 4Bet Fold: 50
vs 4Bet Call: 34.7
5Bet: 15.3


Anything else I should include?

I have Leak Buster, would appreciate any tips in using it.

I will refrain from further comment to get unbiased replies unless I should add more detail?

Thanks
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05-16-2014 , 03:27 PM
Just found this page, I hope I'm in the right spot.

Been playing about three years now 1-2 times a week.

102 winning sessions for 17843

130 losing sessions for 12354

All games were at 1/2 live with $100 buy-in. Obviously not very good , but at least I'm winning. Where does this place me among others. Average , bad , quit? Thanks for the input.
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05-16-2014 , 07:23 PM
@ad hoc
You are playing very tight from late position. Read up on stealing. It will improve your red line and your overall winrate. Rest of the stats seem good. You can 3-bet more too. 5% is kinda low. 7-8% is quite common what i see in 50nl.
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05-16-2014 , 07:44 PM
@Bertz
You have a gap between VPIP and PFR that i think is too big. Def. stop limping SB. Steal instead. If we have a limper in the pot and passive BB, we can overlimp then. But we need to define a raising range also.
16.6% is kind of low PFR. It can be improved. People play nitty in 10nl from my experience so they will be folding a lot PF. You can 3-bet more on the button (and get away with it easily).
WTSD % seems a little high. Anything below <30% would be considered normal. Aggression seems a little low too. You are checking a lot and not betting. But overall seems ok. I've seen that you are active on the forums which is a good sign.
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05-17-2014 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by lacancan
hi all, havent posted jet here, so i'm curious about your thoughts on my stats. it looks to me i need to cbet flop more and def work on playing from the blinds?





thanks!
If people are stealing a lot, you can increase your BB 3-bet %. You need to steal more from late position. That's two things i would work on. Steal more, and how do you counter stealing?
There isn't one particular cbet % you should aim for. It's more important to pick the right board textures to cbet on. 60% is an okay number. Players who cbet <50% typically have a problem with their cbetting game.
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06-06-2014 , 07:37 PM
Hi
this are my last 40kish hands mostly zoom/fastforward but some regular tables are included
21k hands are 4nl zoom the rest either 10nl zoom or reg 10nl.(all 6max) Just want to know if I have any major leaks.



hands: 38398
vpip: 28.06
pfr: 25.86
3bet: 6.03
total Afq: 59.04
wtsd: 20.30
wsd: 52.55
3bet steal: 12.5
fold to steal: 77.97
wwsf: 48.64
cbet flop: 69.72
cbet turn: 37.85
total af: 4.38
dunno what else to include
thanks
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06-06-2014 , 07:58 PM
You seem like a solid player.
You can start 4-bet bluffing from the BTN or CO vs aggressive players with high 3-bet.
3-bet from the BTN is a gold mine, you aren't doing it enough.
You can add 1-2% for your MP range. CO open seems high, drop it down a little. Are you opening some hands like off-suited connectors etc.? 76o 56o probably not great for opening CO, unless you know BTN is a nit.
BB squeeze can be increased a little bit.
If you move up you might have to increase your turn DB. It's fine if they don't fold at this stake.
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06-06-2014 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Fishtankz
You seem like a solid player.
You can start 4-bet bluffing from the BTN or CO vs aggressive players with high 3-bet.
3-bet from the BTN is a gold mine, you aren't doing it enough.
You can add 1-2% for your MP range. CO open seems high, drop it down a little. Are you opening some hands like off-suited connectors etc.? 76o 56o probably not great for opening CO, unless you know BTN is a nit.
BB squeeze can be increased a little bit.
If you move up you might have to increase your turn DB. It's fine if they don't fold at this stake.
Cool, yeah im opening more or less 100% when is folded to and im co,bu,sb and blinds are fish. What do you mean by increasing turn DB? Will start squeezing from bb more and 3b more from btn
Thanks sir.
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06-06-2014 , 08:57 PM
Cbet flop, double barrel turn. Get people off from weak ranges. Might not work that well in the lower limits.
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