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09-01-2012 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Madsaac
Could someone please have a look at my stats. I have been playing to tables and I'm obviously not patient enough and play too many hands and limp too much.
Stop limping and rethink your preflop ranges. Play fewer hands from early position and slightly more from the button. Also fold more in the blinds.
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09-01-2012 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by UngreiTalatov
Thanks for the response. I'm glad that I seem to have good foundations but there's obviously something critically wrong with my game. I guess I could just try cbetting when I hit only and only bet when I have a hand, no bluffing draws etc. Whenever I do this though I just seem to make no money at showdown but the red line just goes down like a plane dropping out of the sky! Ha.
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One comment on your pre-flop play; The hands you're playing OOP seem to be your losing hands. In particular, your SB VPIP looks high to me.
You're also 3-betting a lot from the blinds for micro-stakes - is that working out for you? You can use your software to filter for 3-bet situations to see if you're playing them profitably.

In general, you should be thinking about using your software to detect your losing situations. For example, you might want to look at your winners and losers when you cbet. You may find, for example, that you're cbetting too much in situations where you can't expect to take down the pot (e.g., cbetting into multiple players OOP on a wet board).

Also, at micro stakes, worry more about your blue line and less about your red line. Figure out how to get your blue line up (and it will be some combination of extracting value from your winners and not getting to showdown as much with losers), and I think you'll do much better.
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09-01-2012 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by UngreiTalatov
I was directed here to find my leaks. I plat mostly NL10 but have played NL5 and NL25 within this time too. Here's my graph.



I'm worried that the blue line goes down where as the red line goes up but then flats out. That just equals losses!

...and here's my positional stats. Most winning stats I've seen, people only lose money in the blinds, so I'm guessing what one bit of advice might be but any help will be absolutely awesome



Please help!
you are obviously seeing way too many showdowns and not winning enough of them.
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09-01-2012 , 08:28 PM
Hey,

this is my first Post, so im very sorry if I am posting this in the wrong Categorie.
And Second im no mutual English speaker/writer so just ask if you dunno understand everything or something is unclear. Thank you.

Im playing poker now about a Year. At first everything around MTT,STT then CG FR, and at last 6-max where im now at home

I played NL2 for about a half year and at the beginning, of course very badly
But on the last 3 Months I was a winning player on that limit about 7 to 15 bb/100. (Is that the correct shortcut for Big Blinds?)

So now im got Holidays from studying and play a lot more and get some volume in it. I multitable about 6 tables everyday. And played about 17k Hands in 2 Weeks (thats a lot for me). I got a nice (my opinion) Winrate about 19bb/100. And with BRM i just go one level up on NL5.

And what should i say ? Its terrible ... i now got -10bb/100 on about 8 k Hands. I study my Stats about both Limits and they have changed much. I get a lil tighter (think thats fine, getting looser later shouldnt be a problem) on NL5 and dont go that often to Showdown. But won at Showdown percentage is decreasing.

I've attaced some of my Stats in this Post maybe you find some Leaks and can help me. My first thoughts about that are, that maybe the sample size of 7 k is to small. Maybe its just variance, but i want to hear some opinions of other people.

If you need any further statistics feel free to ask me

So my question is basicly whats your advices on my Situation ?

Thank you very much your answers.

Greetings

acky



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09-01-2012 , 08:49 PM
Just looks like runbad. Your stats seem reasonable (could do with some work on barrelling, but that's not a biggie), but the sample size is very small. Post some hands that you've lost a lot of money in and we can tell you if you're doing anything wrong.
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09-01-2012 , 09:39 PM
acky, welcome. we have a stats thread so i'll ship this there.

after like 20secs of looking at the numbers it seems that you ran good at NL2 but so far at NL5 you ain't.
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09-01-2012 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by OziBattler
acky, welcome. we have a stats thread so i'll ship this there.
I knew it, first post in new Forums is always a wrong desicion. But thank you for moving it

So you both think, nothing to really worry about ? Just get some Volume in it and posting Hands.

Im glad to hear that, we'll see how it's going to work
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09-02-2012 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by QuickTwist
you are obviously seeing way too many showdowns and not winning enough of them.
He is not seeing 'way too many showdowns' (24.9% is not extreme by any means), you are right in saying he is not winning enough of them though. Looks like he's seeing the wrong showdowns and I agree with Arty than his high AF is probably the cause.
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09-02-2012 , 03:07 AM
acky, can you post your stats by position?

There's nothing obviously terribly wrong with what you've posted, I think your c-bet is a little high at 80%. Try to avoid auto c-betting on particularly unfavourable boards.

IMO, contary to the conventional wisdom on 2+2, 5NL is a lot tougher than 2NL.
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09-02-2012 , 12:04 PM
Would like some feedback on my stats
I Play full ring NL25




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09-02-2012 , 12:05 PM
At first thank you all for your thoughts about my play. I try to analyze them and maybe find some topic here where I can find some solutions.

I really need to thought about C-bet, beacuase youre right im c-betting like a robotor. And i think thats not the best wa, on the long run it cost money. When someone c-beting a lot, I would raise him more often on the flop. And I think that happens more often than on NL2.

Second point ist the aggro play. I try to work on this. But dont really know where to start. Maybe you know some good post around here.

Attached you'll find my stats about position. Maybe you can teel some more details.

Thank you very much for your thoughts until here.


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09-02-2012 , 01:15 PM
I cant edit it anymore. Dont know why.

First picture ist NL2 and second ist NL5.
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09-02-2012 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Colts
Would like some feedback on my stats
I Play full ring NL25
Stats aren't too bad actually. Mostly they are well within the typical ranges, so it's quite amazing that your graph is very swingy when you're a pretty tight player.
I think you're a little too tight for 25NL. Observant villains will have you marked as a nit and won't get involved in many pots when you come out raising, so you might want to gradually expand your range in every seat. Do you normally open 99 and AQs UTG? You probably can do so profitably, if you're currently folding these hands. You can insta-fold these hands if you get 3-bet, but open-raising for value is recommended, especially if there are some weak players at the table.
You need to be stealing more often. Since villains will see you play 12/8 overall, they'll still think you have reasonably strong hands on the button, so you can get away with raising any pair, any suited ace, A8o+, K8s+, any two Broadways, 87s+ etc. Eventually, you want to get your button VPIP to around 25%.
The most obvious problem in your stats is the gap between VPIP and PFR in the big blind. You're losing a ton of money there. While you can call with 2 suited Broadways when facing a steal, you should probably be folding hands like ATo, 22-66 and hands like KJo. Playing the hand oop is especially difficult if you don't raise pre-flop. So if you find yourself in the BB with AT or Q8s, ask yourself if you can play it profitably oop. If the answer is no, then minimise your losses by folding. Calling is the worst option if you have a mediocre hand. You can 3-bet in the BB with your UTG range, and if you are comfortable 3-betting light, then hands like 66-22 and A5-2s that you might currently be calling with are good hands to turn into bluffs, especially if villain has a high "fold to 3bet".
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09-02-2012 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
Stats aren't too bad actually. Mostly they are well within the typical ranges, so it's quite amazing that your graph is very swingy when you're a pretty tight player.
I think you're a little too tight for 25NL. Observant villains will have you marked as a nit and won't get involved in many pots when you come out raising, so you might want to gradually expand your range in every seat. Do you normally open 99 and AQs UTG? You probably can do so profitably, if you're currently folding these hands. You can insta-fold these hands if you get 3-bet, but open-raising for value is recommended, especially if there are some weak players at the table.
You need to be stealing more often. Since villains will see you play 12/8 overall, they'll still think you have reasonably strong hands on the button, so you can get away with raising any pair, any suited ace, A8o+, K8s+, any two Broadways, 87s+ etc. Eventually, you want to get your button VPIP to around 25%.
The most obvious problem in your stats is the gap between VPIP and PFR in the big blind. You're losing a ton of money there. While you can call with 2 suited Broadways when facing a steal, you should probably be folding hands like ATo, 22-66 and hands like KJo. Playing the hand oop is especially difficult if you don't raise pre-flop. So if you find yourself in the BB with AT or Q8s, ask yourself if you can play it profitably oop. If the answer is no, then minimise your losses by folding. Calling is the worst option if you have a mediocre hand. You can 3-bet in the BB with your UTG range, and if you are comfortable 3-betting light, then hands like 66-22 and A5-2s that you might currently be calling with are good hands to turn into bluffs, especially if villain has a high "fold to 3bet".
Good post thanks, I open AQ 1010+ UTG and Open 99 K10s from HJ+ if its not open,and no Lags behind if open I call with AQ, 1010+

I call if Villian Open from CO with KQs AJ (D,SB,BB)
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09-02-2012 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SquirrelsUnite
Stop limping and rethink your preflop ranges. Play fewer hands from early position and slightly more from the button. Also fold more in the blinds.
Thanks

Anyone else with some valuable feedback?
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09-03-2012 , 11:56 AM
Saw my Winnings today this month only I have like 60x 0,75 (3BB) Money lost, where I have 1010-AQ (KQ-AJ Late) just not hitting the flop and getting overcards to my PP I C-bet around 80% but i'll check Villians stats how often he Folds to C-bet or whether or not the flop could hit him in hes position, I only lost 2 full BI once KK and 1 K high flush to a Straight Flush.

Can I be unlucky by not hitting anything? its about 3k hands for 120$
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09-03-2012 , 01:58 PM
How are my stats looking so far I know it's a small sample but I just started keeping track live 1/2 1/3 NLH.
Profit $755.00
$/hour $26.03
$/session $125.83
Hours 29
Cashed 6/6 100%
BigBet/hour $12.02
BB/hour std dev $6.14
$/hour std dev 18.07
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09-05-2012 , 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by UngreiTalatov
Thanks for the response. I'm glad that I seem to have good foundations but there's obviously something critically wrong with my game. I guess I could just try cbetting when I hit only and only bet when I have a hand, no bluffing draws etc. Whenever I do this though I just seem to make no money at showdown but the red line just goes down like a plane dropping out of the sky! Ha.
Here's my updated stats that you've asked for (at least I think the raise flop % is correct..)
Thanks for the update. Your aggression is definitely on the high side. I'm guessing you're barrelling a lot of turns too, and this is obviously not profitable against the more stationy type of players.
You don't have to reduce c-betting to purely made hands and strong draws, but you could reduce it slightly to about 70%. I haven't got HEM2 open at the moment, but there is a Report you can add called something like "C-bet success". If you open that up, you might be surprised/shocked at your success rate on certain board textures. If the flop is very connected (3 cards between 7 and J are the worst I find), then it's often fine to check-fold with overcards, or check and make a delayed c-bet on the turn. Villains just don't fold often enough when the board connects to lots of draws and sets. Villains will also float those middling boards often, because they put you on AK that missed, so if they have a pair or a draw, they're likely to stick around and try and steal the pot on the turn.
You can also sometimes check when you flop TPTK on a dry board (e.g. AK on A72r), as it becomes easier to get two streets of value on the turn and river if you under-rep your hand.
You might also have some bet-sizing issues, although it's impossible to say from these stats. I hope you're not mindlessly potting every flop when you raised pre. You can vary your betsize somewhat according to flop texture, what you're trying to achieve and who you're up against (i.e. maximising value when you have a hand, minimising losses when you're bluffing). For that kind of thing, you'd have to post hand histories in the relevant forum for your stakes.
Another filter you might want to look at is "called river". You're losing a bunch of money at showdown in position. While just about everyone loses money when they merely call on the river, you can limit your losses there by learning to fold medium strength hands. Go over some hand histories and look at some of your river calls. Did you just have one pair? It's rarely good.

With a few adjustments and some rungood, you should start crushing soon. Good luck!
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09-05-2012 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Madsaac
Thanks
Anyone else with some valuable feedback?
EDIT: I didn't look at your post-flop stats until typing the wall of text below, but those look solid, so you just need to tweak your pre-flop style, as detailed below.

Eliminating the limping will have an immediate positive effect, I think. In HEM2, while looking at your Position or Holecards report, click on "More Filters" then "limp" in the box on the bottom right hand corner. Click the plus sign and scan the results. You're probably doing very badly if you limp in early position, and also with certain hand groupings. It's sometimes OK to over-limp with speculative hands (small pairs, SCs) in position, but open-limping out of position will just lead to you being iso-raised and put in horrible spots.
Start folding most of the hands you're losing with when you limp, but raise a few of the better ones. (e.g. I'd fold 66 in EP, but raise with it in LP, or limp on the button if there is already a limper in the pot).
You're obviously doing pretty badly in the blinds. Until you've gained more experience in playing mediocre hands out of position, I'd recommend you tighten up considerably. You'll honestly do better by folding KQo and JTs (or smaller SCs) in the blinds than by calling raises with them. You might end up folding to steals 85% of the time, but it will limit your losses in the worst seats at the table.
While your VPIP is a bit high in general for full ring, it's hard to know which hands are causing you the most trouble. Maybe you're calling raises with potentially dominated "trouble hands" (ATs, AJ, KQ, KJ) in which case, STOP. Raise with these hands in MP/LP if you're first into the pot, but don't call raises with them. If you're calling with suited connectors too, you might want to cut down, as these can be tricky for new players.
I'm quite nitty (about 14/9) and generally only play hands like 76s when I'm open stealing on the button, or if there are already two people in the pot. Seeing a flop heads up with 76s is going to be a marginal situation unless you have good reads on a villain and great post-flop skills. You certainly won't make money in the long run if you call raises with SCs and then play them solely for their drawing value. You just can't call down and hope to make a profit when you make the occasional flush or straight. You have to make well-times semi-bluffs with them. Since you don't have the stats (or winrate) of a decent LAG, you're often better off folding these hands and sticking with fat value Big Cards for now.

In summary, tighten up somewhat pre-flop, stop open-limping and calling raises with "trouble hands". It may seem boring to play a nitty style, but ABC poker is a low variance way to build a bankroll. You'll also probably be able to increase the number of tables you play, as you won't have so many tricky decisions to make. Good luck!
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09-05-2012 , 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SlappyFest
How are my stats looking so far I know it's a small sample but I just started keeping track live 1/2 1/3 NLH.
The stats you have provided aren't really the sort of the stats this thread is used to analyse. It's for online stats derived from tracking programs with a view to spotting leaks in your game. What you listed is essentially your win rate, so there's nothing to point at to help you.

You are crushing pretty hard IMO, small sample though. If you want more feedback on this you may want to try the Bricks & Mortar forum.
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09-05-2012 , 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
EDIT: I didn't look at your post-flop stats until typing the wall of text below, but those look solid, so you just need to tweak your pre-flop style, as detailed below.

Eliminating the limping will have an immediate positive effect, I think. In HEM2, while looking at your Position or Holecards report, click on "More Filters" then "limp" in the box on the bottom right hand corner. Click the plus sign and scan the results. You're probably doing very badly if you limp in early position, and also with certain hand groupings. It's sometimes OK to over-limp with speculative hands (small pairs, SCs) in position, but open-limping out of position will just lead to you being iso-raised and put in horrible spots.
Start folding most of the hands you're losing with when you limp, but raise a few of the better ones. (e.g. I'd fold 66 in EP, but raise with it in LP, or limp on the button if there is already a limper in the pot).
You're obviously doing pretty badly in the blinds. Until you've gained more experience in playing mediocre hands out of position, I'd recommend you tighten up considerably. You'll honestly do better by folding KQo and JTs (or smaller SCs) in the blinds than by calling raises with them. You might end up folding to steals 85% of the time, but it will limit your losses in the worst seats at the table.
While your VPIP is a bit high in general for full ring, it's hard to know which hands are causing you the most trouble. Maybe you're calling raises with potentially dominated "trouble hands" (ATs, AJ, KQ, KJ) in which case, STOP. Raise with these hands in MP/LP if you're first into the pot, but don't call raises with them. If you're calling with suited connectors too, you might want to cut down, as these can be tricky for new players.
I'm quite nitty (about 14/9) and generally only play hands like 76s when I'm open stealing on the button, or if there are already two people in the pot. Seeing a flop heads up with 76s is going to be a marginal situation unless you have good reads on a villain and great post-flop skills. You certainly won't make money in the long run if you call raises with SCs and then play them solely for their drawing value. You just can't call down and hope to make a profit when you make the occasional flush or straight. You have to make well-times semi-bluffs with them. Since you don't have the stats (or winrate) of a decent LAG, you're often better off folding these hands and sticking with fat value Big Cards for now.

In summary, tighten up somewhat pre-flop, stop open-limping and calling raises with "trouble hands". It may seem boring to play a nitty style, but ABC poker is a low variance way to build a bankroll. You'll also probably be able to increase the number of tables you play, as you won't have so many tricky decisions to make. Good luck!
Thanks Arty, appreciate the feedback
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09-06-2012 , 05:56 AM
Hello to all 2+2 members.

i wanna post some my stats, and ask some advise for my over all game.

first question is. why FRI on btn is 31 and PFR is 19, is it not be same?

second question. what the difference Agg and Agg%?

third question. do u see any leak on stats what i need to fix?

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/686/statsyzs.png


thanks in advance
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09-06-2012 , 09:35 AM
Hi acky, not much wrong with your positional stats. A couple of observations:

1. You are pretty loose in EP, 18% range is a lot. If it's working for you great, but maybe have a look at the weaker hand ranges you are playing here and see if they are making money as a group.

2. You seem to call a bit too much in SB, check what you are calling with, if it's pocket pairs and decent aces no problem, if it's SCs and hands like KJo, check your results to see if you are making money.
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09-07-2012 , 04:47 AM
Whoops, didn't realize there was a beginner stats thread, posted in uNL.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=4577
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09-07-2012 , 05:27 AM
srLAG, you need to put your VPIP and PFR and preferably also by position. Can you add this info and then post that here plus the first picture you posted? Don't worry about the graphs, they don't mean much. Also need to see cbet%.

3bet of 9%+ is very high. Check your winnings on 3bets to ensure it's working for you.
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