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03-08-2012 , 03:32 PM
Arty what you make of my positional stats for 2NL and 5NL all FR



I still haven't gotten to the bottom of my redline mystery lol
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03-08-2012 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by nismo9
Arty what you make of my positional stats for 2NL and 5NL all FR
I still haven't gotten to the bottom of my redline mystery lol
Your stats are close to what I aspire to! (I've been nitting it up lately)
Are you something like 16/13 overall?

Actually, you're a little tight in late position for someone with reasonably high VPIP overall. Since you're playing against the nits on Stars, you should have ample opportunities to steal blinds in unopened pots. I'm only running at 14% VPIP overall, but my button VPIP is 23% and I think that's a little low. It's been recommended by people like Blackrain to get your button VPIP up to around three times your EP VPIP.

Your blind stats are pretty good (not much calling/completing), but the dollar results aren't so good. Mine are similarly worrying and I'm still diagnosing my actual leak. I think it's something to do with c-betting in blind vs blind situations. My success rate in those is pitiful. I'd have to have a look at your post-flop stats to discuss more.

Your redline mystery remains unsolved, but I still think some freaky variance is likely. Your winrate in middle position is way out of wack with expectation. I think some crazy hands must have happened in the middle seats in particular. I'd guess you just kept hitting sets in MP and villain folded to your raises, but I really don't know and don't have time to have a look at your entire database.

You clearly don't have any major pre-flop leaks, and your winrate is decent to say the least. Keep up the sterling work!
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03-08-2012 , 04:52 PM
Yeah 15.7/12.2 overall.

Im working on stealing more cos i've come to realise its an enormous moneymaker at stars.

As for the redline its not showing any signs of evening out and is close to overtaking my showdown winnings (which im not even sure is a good or bad thing).

These are my aggressive % for each street

Flop - 35.3
Turn - 25.1
River - 22.2


Im not sure how they compare to what is advised but i've had a few people review my hands and tell me that i need to be less aggressive with made hands to get more showdown value. I think this must be the cause of my ascending redline so im gonna work on fixing that.
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03-08-2012 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by nismo9
Yeah 15.7/12.2 overall.
In my experience, a positionally-aware full ring player's overall stat line is often close to their cutoff stats, so it's pretty easy to guess.
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Im not sure how they compare to what is advised but i've had a few people review my hands and tell me that i need to be less aggressive with made hands to get more showdown value. I think this must be the cause of my ascending redline so im gonna work on fixing that.
The percentages look typical. I have the opposite problem - being a little lacking in aggression, so my SDW is way above my (negative) redline.

Perhaps it's a matter of betsizing, not just the percentage of times you bet and raise. If you're often potting it on the turn with very strong hands, you might want to reduce the bet size to give villains (other than total stations, who you should bet BIG against) a slightly more appealing (but still incorrect) drawing price. Even checking on blank turns can help you get calls from very weak holdings on the river. Just lately, I've been checking on the turn when I flopped TP on dry boards, and then I get called by all sorts of crap on the river - like a gutshot that made 3rd pair - presumably because I'm repping ace high that made a c-bet and then sort of gave up. The bet-check-bet line looks so fishy, but it seems to work really well with TPGK at 2NL.
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03-09-2012 , 12:03 AM
Hey guys.. Been playing full ring 2nl, not doing horribly but barely turning a profit.. Hoping you guys can scan over my stats and pick up on something







Thanks guys!
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03-09-2012 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MowShow
Hey guys.. Been playing full ring 2nl, not doing horribly but barely turning a profit.. Hoping you guys can scan over my stats and pick up on something
Your graph looks a little like mine. If you'd run better in all in situations, your winnings would be a little more comforting. But on to the stats...
16/12 overall is good, but there's not a lot of difference between your EP and LP stats, so you're basically playing the same range in every seat. In EP, your VPIP should be closer to 9% (not 14) and on the button you should be up to about 25% (not 17). Tighten up early, open up late, always considering what kind of hands are already in the pot. If a nit opens in EP or MP, dump hands like KJ and AT, as you'll frequently be out-kicked. You should almost never be cold calling in the first 5 seats, as it makes you vulnerable to a squeeze. Only call in position with pocket pairs or good suited connectors like T9s+ (and only if you have deep stacks). If it's folded to you in the the cutoff or on the button, start opening hands you never normally play. Raise hands like 76s, KJo and all suited aces. You need to increase your steals. 23% is never gonna work. Nits will fold their blinds 80% of the time, so you can steal with a much wider range than just "value" hands in the top 25%
Your WTSD is a little high (Less than 30 is the aim). Stop chasing draws if you don't have good odds, and don't call post-flop raises if you only have one pair (even TPTK). It can be annoying to give up TPTK when you hit the flop and make a c-bet, but if villain raises he nearly always has a set and you usually just have 5% equity. Folding will save you a lot of money in the long run. We outplay the set-mining nits by not playing them off.
Hope this helps!
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03-09-2012 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
Your graph looks a little like mine. If you'd run better in all in situations, your winnings would be a little more comforting. But on to the stats...
16/12 overall is good, but there's not a lot of difference between your EP and LP stats, so you're basically playing the same range in every seat. In EP, your VPIP should be closer to 9% (not 14) and on the button you should be up to about 25% (not 17). Tighten up early, open up late, always considering what kind of hands are already in the pot. If a nit opens in EP or MP, dump hands like KJ and AT, as you'll frequently be out-kicked. You should almost never be cold calling in the first 5 seats, as it makes you vulnerable to a squeeze. Only call in position with pocket pairs or good suited connectors like T9s+ (and only if you have deep stacks). If it's folded to you in the the cutoff or on the button, start opening hands you never normally play. Raise hands like 76s, KJo and all suited aces. You need to increase your steals. 23% is never gonna work. Nits will fold their blinds 80% of the time, so you can steal with a much wider range than just "value" hands in the top 25%
Your WTSD is a little high (Less than 30 is the aim). Stop chasing draws if you don't have good odds, and don't call post-flop raises if you only have one pair (even TPTK). It can be annoying to give up TPTK when you hit the flop and make a c-bet, but if villain raises he nearly always has a set and you usually just have 5% equity. Folding will save you a lot of money in the long run. We outplay the set-mining nits by not playing them off.
Hope this helps!
Thanks for the reply/tips!

You seem to have nailed it with me, as everything you said seems to describe me perfectly.. Often chasing draws with bad odds and calling down with TPTK..

I often find myself reading the villains hand correctly (when im beat), but calling him down anyway.. Not sure why I do this.. Perhaps a lack of confidence in my hand reading, or frustration in having to lay down decent hands..

As for my positional play, you seem to think its a slight adjustment in both EP and LP from being on the money rather than a major flaw in one or the other?

Thanks again !
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03-09-2012 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MowShow
I often find myself reading the villains hand correctly (when im beat), but calling him down anyway.. Not sure why I do this.. Perhaps a lack of confidence in my hand reading, or frustration in having to lay down decent hands..
I used to do that all the time. I'd say to myself (or even write in the chatbox) "Set of sixes?" and then make the call anyway, somehow getting some satisfaction from getting my read 100% correct, while also losing the hand. Now I sometimes write "Obvious set is obvious and I'm not gonna pay you off. :P"
It's childish, but it entertains me.
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As for my positional play, you seem to think its a slight adjustment in both EP and LP from being on the money rather than a major flaw in one or the other?
Yeah. You should really be considering your position before you even look at your cards. Some hands that are auto-folds in EP become auto-raises in LP, at least when the pot is unopened or limped. If you tighten up in EP and loosen up LP, your win rate should improve. It will also make the game easier, because I'm sure you've noticed how hard it is to play in EP. It's also harder to get paid off when you actually hit the flop in EP. The button is so much better, which is why you'd rather play any hand there.
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03-09-2012 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
I used to do that all the time. I'd say to myself (or even write in the chatbox) "Set of sixes?" and then make the call anyway, somehow getting some satisfaction from getting my read 100% correct, while also losing the hand. Now I sometimes write "Obvious set is obvious and I'm not gonna pay you off. :P"
It's childish, but it entertains me.

Yeah. You should really be considering your position before you even look at your cards. Some hands that are auto-folds in EP become auto-raises in LP, at least when the pot is unopened or limped. If you tighten up in EP and loosen up LP, your win rate should improve. It will also make the game easier, because I'm sure you've noticed how hard it is to play in EP. It's also harder to get paid off when you actually hit the flop in EP. The button is so much better, which is why you'd rather play any hand there.
Sounds fair enough.. It was always clear to me something was a little off when looking at my position table, but i never quite knew how to address it and what/where to change it up..

Guess i'll try to knuckle down and see how it goes.. Probably post back when i double my sample size or run into any further problems!

Thanks for the help! Greatly appreciated!
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03-09-2012 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
I used to do that all the time. I'd say to myself (or even write in the chatbox) "Set of sixes?" and then make the call anyway, somehow getting some satisfaction from getting my read 100% correct, while also losing the hand. Now I sometimes write "Obvious set is obvious and I'm not gonna pay you off. :P"
It's childish, but it entertains me.
Don't do this mate, you never want anyone to know you folded a strong hand.
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03-10-2012 , 10:13 AM
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Don't do this mate, you never want anyone to know you folded a strong hand.
Yeah, I know I shouldn't be advertising my ability to fold, as villains may exploit me by bluffing more. I'm just trying to eek out some "entertainment" by using the chatbox, as I feel like I'm playing against robots otherwise.
It's not profitable to do this though. I'd advise "serious" players to switch off chat and never show their cards unless their bets were called.
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03-12-2012 , 11:53 PM
Ok hopefully i'm doing this right.

Hey I'm just starting to learn how to play poker seriously and would greatly appreciate any feedback so I can improve and move up the stakes. I play 2nl 6max (ignore the 5nl/ 2nl full ring stats). It's pretty close to 10k hands.







The big drop on my graph is the result of me taking a stab at 5nl; I bought in for full (not considering my bankroll) and lost with KK all in PF. I learnt my lesson.
I would really like to know if I need to be more aggressive or if i'm playing too much in the blinds. As of now i'm a little bit up, I think for a bit I was having a mild downswing.

Thanks
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03-13-2012 , 07:12 AM
How do I insert the images into the post?
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03-13-2012 , 07:45 AM
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How do I insert the images into the post?
There's some thread on how to do it but I can't find it. Basically upload your images onto a image hosting site, imugur.com or photobucket etc, once you have done that it should provide a IMG code - just copy and paste that into your post.
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03-13-2012 , 07:57 AM
Could anybody help me identify and leaks within my game?

I'm aware I'm very nitty and Im sure I will be picked up on, but is this the reason why I sometimes spew chips like theres no tommorow, or can anybody see any notable other leaks.

Any help would be appreciated.

For the record, Im winning at 3.5ptBB at NL2 FR over 69k hands. Not a lot but at least its not losing, but I want to improve and increase that win rate as much as I can.


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03-13-2012 , 08:20 AM
you are pretty nitty. you are winning. carry on. You were just unlucky in your 5nl shot. if you carry on playing the same way you will probably still win at a steady rate. buy in for 100 to begin with. make sure you are rolled for your shot.
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03-13-2012 , 01:09 PM
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I'm aware I'm very nitty and Im sure I will be picked up on, but is this the reason why I sometimes spew chips like theres no tommorow, or can anybody see any notable other leaks.
Nitty is not spewy. You're actually fine post-flop, folding to raises etc.
But you can definitely increase your range for opening pre-flop. Note that you're only attempting to steal 24% of the time, and these steal attempts are successful 66% of the time.
Start playing more hands in middle position and (especially) in the cutoff and on the button. If it's folded around to you in late position, hands like AT, al suited aces, KJo, and any two suited cards 8 or higher (T8s, Q8s etc) all become playable, especially if the players to your left are tight. Open for 2.5bb and if you get called, just give up if you don't flop top pair or a draw. With this raise size, it doesn't matter that you whiff the flop often. Villains will fold their blinds often enough that your steals will be profitable overall.
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03-13-2012 , 02:45 PM
Thanks peeps. Is there anything major other than what you mentioned that you can pick apart? I used to C-bet every flop, but I try to avoid wet or low boards lately. How would you view my play from the blinds, is there anything wrong there in general. Just on the blinds, I nearly always try to make them work for it and 3 bet them, I know this costs me chips quite often. When I 3bet folks who I think are stealing, should I always have a hand with some potential value otherwise just bin it. Also, I like to raise SB's that limp, this has got me into a bit of bother at times.
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03-13-2012 , 05:15 PM
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Just on the blinds, I nearly always try to make them work for it and 3 bet them, I know this costs me chips quite often. When I 3bet folks who I think are stealing, should I always have a hand with some potential value otherwise just bin it. Also, I like to raise SB's that limp, this has got me into a bit of bother at times.
I don't see the 3-bet stats in the position chart, but your PFR in SB and BB is actually very low. It doesn't look like you're squeezing very often at all. If you do raise as a blind defence, make it a raise for value against an aggrodonk that has a reasonably high "fold to 3-bet" stat. Generally speaking, players at these stakes aren't stealing particularly light, so if you see a flop you want a hand that can flop some equity. Hands like JTs and K9s are good. But you may as well call with those, rather than play a bloated pot out of position. Just proceed carefully if you hit the flop. Villain may well give up after c-betting, so you can often float and steal on the turn.
as for raising when the SB completes, that's absolutely standard. You should be c-betting 90% of flops when SB limp-calls, as he rarely has anything. More often he'll just limp-fold.
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03-13-2012 , 05:54 PM
Any love for my stats???
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03-13-2012 , 06:06 PM
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I don't see the 3-bet stats in the position chart, but your PFR in SB and BB is actually very low. It doesn't look like you're squeezing very often at all. If you do raise as a blind defence, make it a raise for value against an aggrodonk that has a reasonably high "fold to 3-bet" stat. Generally speaking, players at these stakes aren't stealing particularly light, so if you see a flop you want a hand that can flop some equity. Hands like JTs and K9s are good. But you may as well call with those, rather than play a bloated pot out of position. Just proceed carefully if you hit the flop. Villain may well give up after c-betting, so you can often float and steal on the turn.
as for raising when the SB completes, that's absolutely standard. You should be c-betting 90% of flops when SB limp-calls, as he rarely has anything. More often he'll just limp-fold.

Squeezing, as in pushing all in? Is it being very low a good thing or bad?
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03-13-2012 , 07:04 PM
squeezing is when you raise/ 3bet after some calls an open raise pre flop, It doesn't have to be all in.

Edit: Yay! i'm a centurion man!
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03-13-2012 , 09:27 PM
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Squeezing, as in pushing all in? Is it being very low a good thing or bad?
Not all in. Just a big raise designed to get everyone to fold, because it looks like KK+. My squeeze percentage is just less than 3%, which is fairly low, but I play full ring. I typically only squeeze with AK and QQ+, but against players with high fold to 3-bet or fold to 4-bet you can squeeze with anything.
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Any love for my stats???
Sorry. I completely missed them before. I wonder where Fabadam is, as he's normally more active in this thread than me.
Anyway...
Overall stats look fine, but it seems you play the same VPIP in full ring and 6max. Tighten up a little in the first three seats in a full ring game. I typically fold AQ, AJ and KQ in EP, as they are a pain to play out of position. By dumping those trouble hands in early position, you should turn things around so that you're rarely dominated or wondering "Am I valuetowning myself here?"
Folding small pairs in EP will save you a few big blinds too.
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03-13-2012 , 10:00 PM
Thanks, yeah my full ring days were when I wasn't that good (ignoring stack sizes etc), I think i've improved a lot since then.
Is my 3bet stat ok? Am I playing too passively (is 2.4 AF all right)? Is my VPIP stat too loose in SB?
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03-14-2012 , 06:26 PM
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Is my 3bet stat ok? Am I playing too passively (is 2.4 AF all right)? Is my VPIP stat too loose in SB?
All look fine.
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