6max buddy.

@ wangtangkiki. Your stats look really solid to me. I can't immediately spot any glaring leaks. Your VPIP in MP is a little low (10.82%), so you could be losing a little by not opening with a slightly wider range in that spot.
Post-flop, I think you're right about calling raises on the turn. Be inclined to fold more often if all you have is TP.

Try and get your WTSD below 30%. I think you're probably getting too attached to hands after raising or 3-betting pre-flop.
Load and run the filter "Calling flop c-bet raise" and then edit it for "turn call=true" to see if you've been getting too curious and going to showdown with the worst hand.
What do your blue (showdown) and red (non-showdown) lines look like?

Here are my updated stats I've been calling raises and reraises and three bets a lot less as fabadam and arty have suggested but Im still negative. I have a big problem that I need to read about bc my cbet % is v high...but here are my stats, updated.

Someone please give me the magical answer. Im not looking to beat highstakes, I'm not looking to be an anomaly, Im just looking to beat this god damn limit that everybody says is so easy, hopefully before I sink deeper into my black hole of wallowing in my own self pity.




These stats are at the 2nl micros, 6max

rasta, your showdown winnings are going in the right direction at least! Now you need to work on your non showdown. Are you stealing appropriately from the BTN and CO (if allowed)? Are you looking for spots to check raise? wrt your cbetting tendencies, cut out the bottom of your cbets so like if you have A5s abd the board is T73r - just check/fold.

I ALWAYS steal from CO and BTN with Axs Ax Kxs, SC, suited one gappers, almost ATC really...

My range is pretty tight 16/14 ish stats so...usually when I cbet I don't really have a 'bottom range'

But sometimes when its checked backed to me on the flop and I cbet my pocket 22 on a 69Q board, they end up calling and end up winning SD with a pair of sixes or something stupid like that. (again prob shouldn't be betting 2's, but I figure if its checked back to me they must not have a strong hand! or anything at all. Usually I just check down the turn and river.

Yes I am actually quite surprised that my showdown winnings are up..thats actually pretty good...if for nothing else then id be break-even at 2nl over 2nl, and compared to where I am now, Id definitely be pleased with that!...so yes its my NSD winnings that suck.

I never second barrel but I ALWAYS cbet IP or OOP. Only time I don't cbet flop is if Im IP and someone donks into me and I have nothing, then I obviously fold. otherwise Im cbetting. My ratios on tables are usually between 90-100% cbet frequency. So my best guess is thats it. But Im sure theres more to it. Maybe I fold too much?

I was saying you CBet too much so try to cut out the bottom end of your cbetting range. Like, you totally miss holding garbage OOP - for once, DONT cbet

Thanks.. That's the biggest problem you see? I wonder what I'm doing wrong then.. I've stopped calling 3bets.. esp OOP..

@wangtang: What network are you playing on? If it's Stars or Merge, then you're not alone in just breaking even, even with solid stats, as the games are very tough these days. You might be able to increase your winrate by table-selecting a bit more carefully. Avoid the regs that have similar stats and look for looser/fishier players to take to value town, or sit to the right of nits and steal their blinds.

I'm at Merge. I really want to grind up a roll to go play live because live play is just terrible.. Somehow I feel 10nl.. sometimes even 4nl is tougher than 200nl live lol.. and I think that's a consensus on 2+2 lol

I don't want to use this as an excuse though.. I see a few people crushing 4nl and 10nl.. I think I can get there, just need a little more practice/reading.

Gentlemen, a little help please. I appreciate its a small sample, but what are you first impression of these stats. As i understand it so far im being far too passive.

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Smidge, you're not sufficiently positionally aware. You should be a little tighter in early position, and a fair bit looser in the cutoff and on the button. Gradually open up your range the closer you get to the button, and if it's folded around to you, start stealing with anything suited or connected.
You're also completing in the SB and flat-calling in both blind seats too often. It's never a good idea to see a flop out of position when you've given someone else the initiative. For most hands in the blinds, you should be raising or folding. If you don't take the initiative, you'll be playing a guessing game post-flop. Indeed, that seems to be exactly what's happening. You are indeed too passive, going to too many showdowns (especially in the blinds) and check-calling most of the time. Either raise in the blinds and then c-bet, or just get out of the way pre-flop.
In summary, I recommend less calling (pre- and post-flop) and more raising and folding.

Thanks for the feedback Arty. Much appreciated.

Just curious what some stats for 6max tagish style should be (uNL)

3Bet ?
4Bet ?
Call 3 Bet ?
Att To Steal Btn ?
Att To Steal CO ?
VPIP from SB/BB ?

Im sure its in here somewhere but theres just so many pages lol
Thanks

These typical stat ranges for 6max TAGs are from a spreadsheet linked somewhere in this thread:

3-Bet: 5-9%
4-Bet: 1.5-2.5%
Call 3-Bet: 20-35%
Att To Steal Btn/CO/SB: 25-45%
VPIP from blinds: How you play the blinds depends on whether there was a raise form early position, or if you are stealing/restealing, but overall average SB VPIP should be similar to your button %, while BB VPIP should be closer to your EP %.

Full ring players will tend to have lower percentages for each category.

Thanks for the feedback.
But should your SB VPIP really be the same as your BTN ? My VPIP from the BTN is roughly 30%, should i be playing 30% of hands from the small blind

86suited - yes, your SB open raise should be ~ your BTN open raise. You are trying to steal the blind/s. Your BB should be similar to your EP range.

Yes, but it's situation dependant. If someone opened in EP, you should generally be folding your small blind unless you have a monster with which you will 3-bet. If the opener is on the button, you'd sometimes go for a resteal, but you need a read on the villain to know whether you should 3-bet as a bluff or only put in raises for value. If it's folded to you in the small blind, you should be raising with more than 50% of hands. You only have one player (the BB) to get through, so can expect a high success rate (over 70% when the BB is a nit). If he folds to steals most of the time, you make an instant 1bb profit every time you steal. Even when you raise with complete junk, you still have equity, as you can flop a weak pair and have it hold up against overcards.
I don't play 6max, but try and position myself to the immediate right of ubernits at full ring tables. Because of this, I actually make a slight profit with hands like 43o and 92o (which aren't even in top 90% of hands). I insta-fold them if the pot was already opened, but use them for steals in the SB.

Depends on the stakes if your still playing 2NL a wide sb range might still work but at later level this will be a huge leak and you will get owned a ton by any competent player if he sees you raising 50% in SB. My standard against a reg with something like 70% Fold vs steal is something like A9o+, A2s+, TJs, QJo+, 22+, folding 22-66 if BB gives me much trouble..from then on adjusting of course
Anyways rather grind the tables not the forums

Well 10k hands is really no sample at all but lets have a quick look, this is 6max i assume?

First stop open-limping, dont open-limp ever. You call too many raises preflop in LP or limp too much again.
Your spread VP-PFR is way too high, always look for domination if you plan to call a raise. Stop calling with stuff like SC's SG's if you dont have a good read about your opponents postflop tendencies.
You should loosen up some in the CO and BTN and raise more playable hands.

You dont raise at all from the SB except for premiums.
You can iso raise limpers OOP from the blinds too with stuff like A9o+, broadways, 77+. Dont openlimp the SB when its folded to you, raise or fold.

You can complete the SB with small PP's, suited Ax, A2o-A5o, good SC's depending on the player in the BB and the Limpers infront of you (do they fold a lot postflop, are they straightforward etc?) you might want to raise some of them too. Otherwise dont complete very wide in the SB and fold or raise most of the time.

You go to showdown too much it seems but could just be samplesize issue but keep an eye on it, also a bit passive postflop but again could be samplesize.
You could 3bet more it seems your mainly only 3betting for value, try to add some more 3bet bluffs in the blinds or against the right opponents who like to fold.

Mainly it seems you should work a lot on your preflop ranges first, what to call, raise, 3bet or fold from which position.
If this is FR then ignore most of it cause i dont know much about FR

This doesn't look right at all to me. We should play way more hands on the button than the SB. If BU VPIP = SB VPIP you have a major leak in one or more of these positions.

Thanks very much for your comments man. Appreciate it, gives me some food for thought.

Tell that to Verneer (he makes a profit in the small blind), or look at the Deuces Cracked and Poker Strategy.com open-raising charts.
(On the DC ORC, the small blind open range is 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T5s+, 96s+, 85s+, 75s+, 65s, A2o+, K2o+, Q5o+, J6o+, T7o+, 97o+, 86o+, 75o+ which is 61% of hands!)
Verneer: "I steal around 40% BvB... vs a nit, you can open ATC profitably. I open very similar ranges BvB to what I would open on the button vs certain player types."
As I said, it's situation dependent. You rarely want to be completing in the SB, or calling a raise when you'll be out of position for the rest of the hand. But if it's folded to you, you should be raising the majority of the time.
On certain tables where there are lots of loose players, you'll rarely get the chance to steal in the SB. On nittier sites (e.g. Stars, Merge), it's crucial to make the play. You can't let the big blind have a walk every time.

VPIP is not the same as PFR, and PFR is not the same as unopened PFR...

I didn't say it was. But if you get the opportunity to steal/re-steal in the SB often, your SB VPIP will work out to be close to your button VPIP.
FWIW, my SB VPIP is 25.6%, Steal % in SB is 53% and Steal success in SB is 67.7%.
When I can successfully steal the big blind almost 70% of the time, it would be a leak to merely complete or fold in the SB.