I'm looking at the nonshowdown winnings, they're a great indicator of how you play, and it looks like you're betting/overbetting a lot because your showdown winings are kind of low;

This means you're getting it in a lot with the worse hands often, it looks like you suck out often enough to be profitable still

It's bad because it has to work a huge amount of the time for it to be profitable, since if you're behind you're literally handing your opponent money.

I dont do it all too often the times i use it is if i float to streets as if im on a flush draw etc in posistion and when the card comes i use it then and to be fair it has worked alot.

I thought im supposed to bet alot and double barrel the loose aggro players in posistion etc?

The times i will usually get it in behind would be with a flush draw and 2nd pair or flush draw and a gut shot/OESD type of hands. Could the low showdown winnings not also be from making bad calls on the river, i do tend to hang too much against certain players.

Also would a player like durrrr's non showdown winnings be really high?

This is a situation i am overbetting the pot. I know the raise size pre-flop was bad i was meant to make it 40-45. His bet on the river made no sense and just screamed of weakness.

triple barreling with air is kind of bad, he might notice that the flush draw missed and doesnt see you valuebarreling 2/3 PSB a K266 board with Axs flush draw so the A doesnt help your range when it hits on the river, it's more likely you're bluffing here if he's holding a K or 6 or 2

durrr picks his spots, you're just randomly shoveling money into the pot hopeing your opponents fold

Here some examples that might give you to think about villains bet sizing, 2NL though

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

UTG+1: $0.77
UTG+2: $1.91
MP1: $0.78
Hero (MP2): $2.20
CO: $0.70
BTN: $2.80
SB: $1.15
BB: $0.98
UTG: $0.85

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP2 with 9 9
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 1 fold, BTN raises to $0.10, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.23) A 8 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.23) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.12, BTN calls $0.12

River: ($0.47) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

Final Pot: $0.63
Hero mucks 9 9
BTN shows T T (a straight, Six to Ten)
BTN wins $0.60
(Rake: $0.03)

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: $0.77
UTG: $1.91
UTG+1: $0.86
Hero (UTG+2): $2.00
MP1: $0.70
MP2: $3.10
CO: $1.14
BTN: $0.90
SB: $0.83

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG+2 with 6 7
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $0.10, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.23) T 5 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.39) K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.14, Hero calls $0.14

River: ($0.67) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.02, Hero calls $0.02

Final Pot: $0.71
Hero mucks 6 7
MP2 shows A A (a pair of Aces)
MP2 wins $0.68
(Rake: $0.03)

Comment on my stats please!

I dont really think a 6 is in his range here and i dont see how he ever has jj+ AK even KQ here and villain was raising his big hands and generally calling his mediocre hands and played his draws very passively. Would i not play the same way if i had aces AK KQ maybe even AQ clubs given how the action went because i do not see many 6's in his range? I know that narrows my range down alot but its not just ''shovelling money into the pot hoping he folds'' and i do still have equity in the hand with the FD and i have the lead in the hand and his check call flop and turn lead out tiny for the river is just wierd so woud a shove not fold out all of his hand but A6 KK OR AK wich he never has here given the way villain was playing?

How could i pick my spots better?

Here's the thing: You're giving your opponents credit for being able to put you on some kind of range. At 5NL, that just isn't really happening. People betting 75 cents into an $8.50 pot aren't thinking about hands you might have, they're looking at their own hand and the board and going from there.

You also didn't really overshove in the hand you posted as an example. Villain had $7.39 left, and the pot before you shoved was $9.27.

Basically, you could have raised a much smaller amount here and been just as successful, since as you spotted villain was done with the hand but hoped he could bluff you out. He's folding to a $2 raise just as often as he folds to a $12 raise.
Realistically, starting out in poker you don't need to worry about picking spots. It's much easier to play a TAG game and then widen your range as you get more used to playing easy hands. There's no reason to jump right into 3 barrel bluffs when you don't understand exactly which situations they will and won't work in, aside from trying to "outplay" your opponents.

[QUOTE=otatop;29046408]Basically, you could have raised a much smaller amount here and been just as successful, since as you spotted villain was done with the hand but hoped he could bluff you out. He's folding to a $2 raise just as often as he folds to a $12 raise.QUOTE]

Yea i definately see what your saying here. And there is some confusion (entirely my fault) i have bin playing for like two and a half years now and used to play nl10 mainly and the nl25 games now and then. This was an inital $20 deposit just to see what i could spin up trying to use HEM (wich i still cant get the grasp of) and also keeping track of my winnings/losses etc. So i do like to think i kinda know what im doing but i think sometimes i get abit to aggro in the wrong spots, but in the previous example i didnt just think it was blind dumb aggression, there was some method to it against a certain type of player. I do totally agree with you that at nl5 i tend to give people credit for thinking about ranges etc way to much. Thanks for the input.

scrimitzu: Good general figures; it looks like you are slightly over-aggressive postflop, and possibly also a bit too fancy in blind defense. YOur -fold-to-bet percentages are quite low on all streets, which also looks like you may be getting too fancy sometimes.
Hard to say from these stats, since there are no big wrongs, but on the whole you seem a bit too loth to give up on pots.

Hey, these are my stats so far playing 6-max NL2 and Nl5 on Stars.
I started playing poker this summer on full tilt, knew nothing about the game and lost slowly, playing with some basic strategy from pokerstrategy.com.
Then after FT went down, i tried playing SnGs on PS after reading the Moshman book, i made some money but the up and downswings were just really hard for me so i wanted a change. Then about 2 weeks ago or so, I tried SH NL2 for the first time - still pretty much knowing nothing about postflop game in general, doing pretty much a very tight push/fold and bullying with a big stack game in the SnGs.
But since there were mostly COMPLETE maniacs on NL2, i very easily made it to NL5 a few days ago. I played alot - I guess way to much to actually learn to play. So these are my stats so far, any suggestions what my most mayor leaks are? I also bought the "green book" from amazon, it should be here in a few days or so. I hope I can learn something from that, I really pretty much know nothing about Post Flop in general. I just Cbet (pretty much in all the wrong spots I guess, but I really don't know) alot, and very often abandon my hand quickly after any sort of backplaying from my villains, unless i have a good hand on a pretty dry board. (TPTK, ect.)
I don't like calling pfr, even in position unless I have a pocket pair. Is that a good thing?

yay: those are remarkable solid stats for someone at beginner level.
Your VPIP/PFR are ok tight-aggressive numbers; yes, not calling raises except with that sort of hands is an excellent idea.
From the UO PFR numbers on your stats, I see that you should become a bit more position aware. You are quite loose from early position, and relatively tight on the button (there is no reason for But UO PFR to be below 50%)

You don't show a lot of postflop numnbers, but your Agg Factor is very high, while Agg% are fairly normal. This indicates you rarely call bets, which is good in principle.
Still you could try to start learning some situations where calling is warranted (e.g. when you have top pair vs a notorious c-better).

Hey guy, I wanted to get an analysis on my stats. I've been playing a while, but I just don't have results.. I have volume, not results except rakeback.

I feel like I'm getting better, but I want to fix some more leaks. I just started to realize that when someone says to play their flush draws aggressively, they meant to actually raise (or c/r) a bet OTF instead of just betting when OOP instead of check calling.

PT3 Stats

Details:



Mostly Post Flop info:

Incase you can't read this image (not sure why it's so small)




Positional:



Graph:


Really appreciate any analysis. If there are any other important stats that will help determine leaks, I can post them. Thanks.

wangtang:
Your graph is like the legendary fgators graph, it's the signature of a weak-tight player, where money won in showdowns is all lost back in non-showdown pots.

This means you are probably giving up on way too many pots. Some more observations:
(1) No positional awareness. Your early position VPIP/PFR is OK, but in the late positions you are way too tight. 18% VPIP on the button is horrible, there is basically no excuse to have this below 30%. Also (same thing) steal% should be at least 30%
(2) Very low aggression postflop. Your c-bet% looks to be about 50% which is just way too low, especially for a tight player.
(3) Because of this your Won $ when saw flop % (W$WSF) is below 40, which is really bad.

So all in all, most improtant points is to learn to use position, and to be aggressive postflop. Pick up those small pots, and let people pay to see another street with you.

Thank you for your advice.
When you say I'm giving up on too many pots, do you mean I'm folding to c-bets too often? I know when I first started, I almost always fold 2nd pair and sometimes top pair w/ a bad kicker.. Do you suggest calling with 2nd pair if I have backdoors? I'm starting to call with straight+flush backdoor draws..


I've started to use position a lot more.. I'll definitely widen my range; For this month, I'm still at ~20% VPIP OTB, I'm raising any SC, pairs, Ax.. I just checked PokerStove and I didn't realize how wide 30% is.. I need to loosen up a lot..

To ramp up my aggression, what type of situations should I be raising? I'm starting to raise nut flush draws a lot.. c/r too.. I don't know if it's smart to only raise the nut flush.. I never raise them before.. It's fine to raise with straight draws too I'm sure..

Thanks again for your help.. I ask a lot of questions because I want to get better.

It depends on the opponent.

First of all, most of the time YOU should be the c-better. The basic principle of preflop play is that you DO NOT CALL. You fold or raise. Te only hands to call with are speculative hands that have high implied odds. That means lowish pocket pairs and suited connectors.

As for folding to c-bets: if you have 2nd pair on an Kh8s2d board with your 8h7h, look at your opponent. Is he c-betting 70%? Then he is c-bettting a huge amount of air, so likely you are folding the best hand.
I'd still fold out of position (but how in the hell did I get on that position?), but call in position. You are likely ahead.

Also RAISE a fair amount of bets. A pair and a flushdraw is an excellent semi-bluff bet.

My button raneg against unknowns:
22-AA, any Ax, Any Kxs, 45s-98s, 75s-T8s, any 2 cards 9 and higher.

Against nits in the blinds this goes to 100% until they start playing back.

Also opponent dependent. Against rabid c-betters, bluff c/r with some regularity, both with strong made hands and any draw.

It's fairly hard to balance this -- if you overdo it, you quickly start spewing. But if you spot a player that just bets all the time, you can basically raise some of his bets at random. Your fold equity will be huge (That is, he is folding almost his entire range).

fatbear5090:
First advice: don't go play headsup ...

There are a number of things to remark about your normal game play:
(1) Insufficiently position aware. You can open up a lot more in late position (button and cutoff mostly). Basically your overall steal% should be > 30%. If you do just that, you are probably already a lot loser in those two positions.
(2) You look too passive postflop. Agg% should probably be >40%, AF should be bigger than 3, or at least close to it. Bascially just become more aggressive.

Moved up to 10nl and getting slaughtered despite playing a lot tighter than before. I have been opening all PP's from UTG, should I be knocking out the lower end since Im only 100BB now?

Also, I vary my raise size by position. 2bb from sb, 2.5bb from btn, 3 from co, 4 from utg/utg+1 regardless of hand strength. Now people are starting to tell me this is wrong and that I am giving up value by doing this :? anyone have anything to say about this?

Cheers

Chad

chad: 2400 hands is too small a sample to say anything definitive.

I think you can still play all PPs from all positions for a single raise.

As for the preflop raise size: theoretically (see "The Mathematics of Poker") it's better to raise less from early position and more from the button. Practically, it often feels the other way around. I compromise by just raising 3BB from all positions.

weirdness. I was 100% certain that I should raise more early and less from late. Think Im going to go ask abou tthis in the forum. You are right of course, 2400 hands is only 1 days worth of sample. Just feeling a bit unstead cause I lost 4BI's and *immediately* feel like I must be doing something wrong. I know I was calling these stupid 10BB bets on the river a lot where people had made 2 pair vs my TPTK type hands in a 40BB pot = leaky :/ will get back on it today and see what happens. Thinking about it, I think I just ran a bit bad. didnt get many BIG hands myself and when I did I didnt get paid or someone coolered me. We will see..Maybe a bit high CBet still - althoguh if i am only opening 10-14% it should be understandable that I have cbet a fair bit cause Im opening premium (ish) hands.

Who do i email to ask for my last 2k-2.5k hand history files. Long story but i need them. Thanks.