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10-14-2014 , 02:26 PM
H1 trivial flat pre, postflop is fine but pre is not
H2 fold turn again trivial also fold pre
H3 probs flatting pre and going 3 or checking turn
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10-14-2014 , 02:27 PM
Bbhoy flat 99 to the 3ball
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10-14-2014 , 02:54 PM
Yeh agree with 57o being a fold PF. Was trying to figure out how often he folds BB, as I were playing with him on multiple tables. But there's better hands to find out.
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10-14-2014 , 03:31 PM
Fishtankz

H1 looks fine post flop but I dunno about pre I don't play HU. I guess you 3bet a lot wider then vs min opens? Still looks a bit loose to me.

H2 he must have had a high FTS to do that. I do open nearly ATC though against some reggy looking multitablers who don't seem to notice because I'm tight normally so my stats look tightish. Post looks good.

H3 PF are you value 3betting KQo? Think I'd flat that a lot. As played I'd check down I think. I doubt a PP is folding and you only beat Ax that you block a lot of (except like AJ/ATs maybe) so not sure if flop bet is good unless you plan at the start to rep JJ+ and bet bet bet? I'm a pussy though who never bluffs because I assume they will never fold so maybe thats just me.
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10-14-2014 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Blonde
Bbhoy flat 99 to the 3ball
I usually do, sadly not this time, still turned it into my winningest day ever though so it wasn't all bad.
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10-14-2014 , 03:58 PM
@bhoylegend it happens, seems like today nothing is working for me. Glad to hear that your day is a winner though

On a positive side for me I only need 200 hands to get 100k hands played this year and basically my first 100k hands since I changed from being a complete idiot to actually understanding some parts of the game.
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10-14-2014 , 06:06 PM
Finally reached 100k hands for the year. First 70k is mainly full ring and the last 30k is 5 max.

When I first started posting here I check raised with SDV hands to "see where I was at" have come a long way but still got massive amounts to learn as seen by some of the completely ******ed stuff I do daily. Trying to value bet the fishies as much as possible though

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10-14-2014 , 06:21 PM
That's pretty damn impressive, nice job

Wtf is that winrate
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10-14-2014 , 07:15 PM
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That is exactly what I meant by don't wanna peel linearly

Also you're peeling AJ no bdfd? ..
Assuming a BTN open range of {22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J5s+, T5s+, 95s+, 84s+, 74s+, 64s+, 53s+, 43s, 32s, A2o+, K2o+, Q6o+, J7o+, T7o+, 97o+, 86o+, 75o+, 65o, 54o} (850 combos - probably too wide for MSNL but good for softer games), we want to defend ~45% of that which is about 400 combos.

If we assume a 4bet range of {JJ+, AKs, AKo, A8o-A5o} (88 combos) we have 312 combos we want to call with. Let's reduce that to 260 combos because if we're opening that wide in the first place we're probably exploiting something so don't need to defend unexploitably. That's roughly {TT-77, AQs-A2s, K8s+, Q8s+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, AQo-A9o, KTo+, QTo+, JTo}

There are 235 combos left given card removal, so vs a 60% pot cbet we want to defend about 70% of our range assuming we don't have a raising range so about 164 combos. We can fold 71 combos, in other words. IDK if you disagree with any of these but I'd rather fold the following than AJo:

{77, QdJd, QsJs, AdTd, AsTs, QdTd, QsTs, JdTd, JsTs, Ad9d, As9s, Qd9d, Qs9s, Jd9d, Js9s, Td9d, Ts9s, Ad7d, As7s, 9d7d, 9s7s, Ad6d, As6s, Ad5d, As5s, Ad3d, As3s, Ad2d, As2s, AdTs, AdTc, AsTd, AsTc, AcTd, AcTs, Ad9s, Ad9c, As9d, As9c, Ac9d, Ac9s, QdJs, QdJc, QsJd, QsJc, QcJd, QcJs, QdTs, QdTc, QsTd, QsTc, QcTd, QcTs, JdTs, JdTc, JsTd, JsTc, JcTd, JcTs} (64 combos) - for readability, this is 77, 97s, T9s, J9s-JTs, Q9-QJs without a bdfd, JTo, QTo-QJo, A9-ATo without a bdfd, A2-ATs without a pair or bdfd.

This leaves 7 more combos we can fold. There are 10 of AJ without some kind of bdfd on this board so we should defend it some % of the time.

Admittedly, I thought it was clearer than this but I don't think that any combos of AJ with a heart are a fold for this reason.

I'm aware this is not going to be easy to read but I'd appreciate hearing if you think this is done wrong for whatever reason.
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10-14-2014 , 07:17 PM
Also sick effort Starlight.
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10-14-2014 , 09:08 PM
No it seems reasonable although there are some hands I'd rather flat that you've avoided and my approach is a little adjusted to yours, rather than going for pure unexploitability I move the goalposts left or right in certain situations
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10-15-2014 , 04:34 AM
Thanks to both of you! I feel abit ashamed that it's going so well for me but it's mainly because I play on a really soft site and at micro stakes. I play a really exploitative style and I would probably be eaten alive by anyone with some decent knowledge.

On the other hand poker is about playing with people that are worse than you and taking every edge you can.
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10-15-2014 , 05:45 AM
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Thanks to both of you! I feel abit ashamed that it's going so well for me but it's mainly because I play on a really soft site and at micro stakes. I play a really exploitative style and I would probably be eaten alive by anyone with some decent knowledge.

On the other hand poker is about playing with people that are worse than you and taking every edge you can.
Never feel ashamed by doing well. If you are putting in the time and effort and those you play against neglect to do so then it's not your fault.

There will be times when it goes bad so enjoy it when the going is good.
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10-15-2014 , 06:46 AM
Excellent job Starlight.
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10-15-2014 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Frozen_Starlight
Thanks to both of you! I feel abit ashamed that it's going so well for me but it's mainly because I play on a really soft site and at micro stakes. I play a really exploitative style and I would probably be eaten alive by anyone with some decent knowledge.

On the other hand poker is about playing with people that are worse than you and taking every edge you can.
what site are you playing on?
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10-15-2014 , 10:48 AM
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what site are you playing on?
Svenska Spel, Swedish only site.
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10-15-2014 , 10:57 AM
cool, does Pokertracker work with it?
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10-15-2014 , 10:58 AM
Thinking of trying some trainingsite soon after having the exams over at the uni so I'll actually have the time to study. Thinking of RIO or Iveyleague, what do you guys suggest?

I also have some deucescracked videos that I haven't yet watched. Only watched the first coaching kristy series and it felt a bit too basic. What are the series worth watching there? Below are the series I have downloaded. I'm currently playing NL25 at stars and think I'have OK understanding of poker compared to my limit, also currently reading Jandas book which I find very interesting.

Applied game theory
Applied math
Coaching kristy 2
Blah Blah GTO
Mathematiccs of Holdem
REM
Search and destroy (2011 and 13-14 seris)
The Playbook
There will be homework

Last edited by doctor877; 10-15-2014 at 11:08 AM.
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10-15-2014 , 12:43 PM
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cool, does Pokertracker work with it?
Yes it does, but it's only for people living in Sweden as far as I know. And it got the limitations like max 5 tables etc and software is not very good.
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10-15-2014 , 01:24 PM
Yep, I am Swedish :P I just checked it out and holy crap thats ugly, is there no way to change theme or atleast use a 4 colour deck?
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10-15-2014 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Frozen_Starlight
Thanks to both of you! I feel abit ashamed that it's going so well for me but it's mainly because I play on a really soft site and at micro stakes. I play a really exploitative style and I would probably be eaten alive by anyone with some decent knowledge.

On the other hand poker is about playing with people that are worse than you and taking every edge you can.
Top attitude, doing really well and not letting it go to your head is impressive. Except the ashamed bit, that's silly.

Keep at it.
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10-15-2014 , 04:19 PM
One of those fist pump moments on the river when you just know he has to call because he has the KcXc and tank raised reluctantly:

    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #31654741

    BTN: $24.65 (98.6 bb)
    SB: $28.10 (112.4 bb)
    BB: $35.38 (141.5 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $42.59 (170.4 bb)
    MP: $9.65 (38.6 bb)
    CO: $25 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4 A
    Hero raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, 3 folds, BB calls $0.50

    Flop: ($2.35) 9 2 6 (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, MP folds, BB calls $1.25

    Turn: ($4.85) J (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    River: ($4.85) 7 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, BB raises to $7, Hero raises to $40.59 and is all-in, BB calls $26.38




    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


    Is there a wrong way to play the turn? Or are both checking and betting fine? Is betting more +EV?
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    10-15-2014 , 04:28 PM
    Barrelling turn all day every day unless villain is a fish.
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    10-15-2014 , 04:37 PM
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    Barrelling turn all day every day unless villain is a fish.
    I had no idea if he was a fish or not as I was playing on a tablet at the time but in importing the hands to HEM2 a few minutes ago when I got home it was my first hand against him. He definitely wasn't one of the 'name' regs that you get used to at 25NL Zoom.

    At the time I didn't want to allow him to shove sets or other made hands and I would reluctantly feel I had to fold.

    It's a bit of a set-up hand really. If we barrel turn and miss, against an unknown do we just give up on the river? We have some amount of showdown value.
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    10-15-2014 , 05:00 PM
    While reading the Jandas book, I'm now faced with the example ranges he assigned. What do you guys think of these ranges.

    They actually are somewhat same as the ranges I've so far developed by Bugs GTO articles (which are based on jandas book), + lurking hours and hours of 2+2. But the ranges seem to be more thought out to cover board textures etc. And flatting 4bets is something I haven't really done as default, which I'm thinking of starting to do more often.


    Have you guys based your default preflop ranges more or less by these, and how applicable they are to use against regulars on NL25-50. So what I should watch out in them etc?
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