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10-13-2014 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by reuben
how much bb/100 is considered beating a limit?
Anything higher than 0 usually
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10-13-2014 , 02:07 PM
Yeah, beating 5NL zoom for 5bb/100 is GOAT-territory.
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10-13-2014 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
Yeah, beating 5NL zoom for 5bb/100 is GOAT-territory.


Someone should make one of these for hands played and $ won.
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10-13-2014 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
Yeah, beating 5NL zoom for 5bb/100 is GOAT-territory.
GOAT-territory?
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10-13-2014 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by reuben
do you guys call all ins pre with AKo/AKs?
there are cases where we can nit-fold. Especially AKo, it's not that great hand to go all-in with against somewhat tight players.

Here is one. Need 48.36% equity to shove after rake. It's actually pretty tough to gain that equity. We need him to shove AQo, or something worse. AQ+, TT+ we get 49.17%. Adding more pocket pairs doesn't help our situation.
I would actually fold here. But he had been hitting the all-in button few times this session, like in the hand below, so i guess there is the "random factor".

Microgaming - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): €50.12
BTN: €51.69 (VPIP: 24.19, PFR: 16.97, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 281)
SB: €58.45 (VPIP: 22.61, PFR: 17.25, 3Bet Preflop: 7.88, Hands: 2,331)
BB: €52.56 (VPIP: 44.05, PFR: 23.81, 3Bet Preflop: 9.68, Hands: 88)
UTG: €129.86 (VPIP: 28.01, PFR: 20.21, 3Bet Preflop: 8.07, Hands: 572)
MP: €52.08 (VPIP: 71.19, PFR: 22.88, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 121)

SB posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has A K

fold, MP calls €0.50, Hero raises to €2.00, fold, fold, BB calls €1.50, MP raises to €22.70, Hero raises to €50.12 and is all-in, fold, MP calls €27.42

Flop: (€102.49, 2 players) 5 7 7

Turn: (€102.49, 2 players) Q

River: (€102.49, 2 players) T

Spoiler:
Hero shows A K (One Pair, Sevens) (Pre 43%, Flop 27%, Turn 0%)
MP shows Q Q (Full House, Queens full of Sevens) (Pre 57%, Flop 73%, Turn 100%)
MP wins €99.49


vs same fish
TT I am folding, but JJ? FT3B 80% 4-bet ratio 0. After rake we actually need 47% equity. We get this from 99+ AQs AK.

Microgaming - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): €59.37
UTG: €51.25 (VPIP: 24.72, PFR: 17.34, 3Bet Preflop: 6.00, Hands: 275)
MP: €58.95 (VPIP: 22.64, PFR: 17.27, 3Bet Preflop: 7.89, Hands: 2,328)
CO: €52.62 (VPIP: 45.68, PFR: 24.69, 3Bet Preflop: 9.68, Hands: 85)
BTN: €129.86 (VPIP: 28.16, PFR: 20.32, 3Bet Preflop: 8.07, Hands: 569)
SB: €43.36 (VPIP: 70.43, PFR: 22.61, 3Bet Preflop: 3.77, Hands: 118)

SB posts SB €0.25, Hero posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has J J

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to €1.00, Hero raises to €4.00, SB raises to €43.36 and is all-in, fold

SB wins €47.36
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10-13-2014 , 04:58 PM
Snappppppp

Snap AK aswell
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10-13-2014 , 05:49 PM
Small but depressing session. No one's going crazy, everyones nutpeddling
All probably standard though?

Microgaming - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: €43.00 (VPIP: 76.47, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 17)
Hero (BB): €50.00

SB posts SB €0.25, Hero posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has A Q

SB raises to €1.00, Hero raises to €4.00, SB calls €3.00

Flop: (€8.00, 2 players) Q 4 K
Hero bets €4.50, SB calls €4.50

Turn: (€17.00, 2 players) T
Hero checks, SB checks

River: (€17.00, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, SB bets €11.50, Hero calls €11.50

Spoiler:
SB shows K K (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 72%, Flop 98%, Turn 91%)
Hero mucks A Q (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 28%, Flop 2%, Turn 9%)
SB wins €39.00


Stay disciplined

Microgaming - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: €41.18 (VPIP: 81.82, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
UTG: €56.05 (VPIP: 25.55, PFR: 18.30, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 321)
CO: €50.00 (VPIP: 24.94, PFR: 16.05, 3Bet Preflop: 7.84, Hands: 1,172)
Hero (BTN): €55.74
SB: €50.39 (VPIP: 18.87, PFR: 5.66, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 54)

SB posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has A K

fold, fold, Hero raises to €1.25, fold, BB raises to €4.00, Hero raises to €10.00, BB calls €6.00

Flop: (€20.25, 2 players) 6 7 5
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (€20.25, 2 players) 7
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (€20.25, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:
BB shows 6 3 (Two Pair, Sevens and Sixes) (Pre 38%, Flop 78%, Turn 86%)
Hero mucks A K (Two Pair, Sevens and Fives) (Pre 62%, Flop 22%, Turn 14%)
BB wins €19.24


Prefer the 3-bet vs fish with higher PFR. Post-flop ok?

Microgaming - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): €52.18
CO: €55.48 (VPIP: 31.80, PFR: 25.48, 3Bet Preflop: 8.41, Hands: 268)
BTN: €57.44 (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 10.87, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 48)
SB: €106.30 (VPIP: 24.09, PFR: 20.76, 3Bet Preflop: 13.00, Hands: 1,222)
BB: €54.92 (VPIP: 23.58, PFR: 17.22, 3Bet Preflop: 6.19, Hands: 1,358)
UTG: €51.99 (VPIP: 45.83, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)

SB posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has K Q

UTG raises to €1.00, Hero raises to €4.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls €3.00

Flop: (€8.75, 2 players) 4 9 2
UTG bets €2.00, Hero calls €2.00

Turn: (€12.75, 2 players) 7
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (€12.75, 2 players) 7
UTG checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:
UTG shows 5 5 (Two Pair, Sevens and Fives) (Pre 53%, Flop 74%, Turn 86%)
Hero mucks K Q (One Pair, Sevens) (Pre 47%, Flop 26%, Turn 14%)
UTG wins €12.12
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10-13-2014 , 07:44 PM
Not sure about this donk is usually setting price for draw or marginal hand I figured I raise to the size I would cbet anyway. Turn completes some draws but he still bets small so I figured weak hand or still on a draw. River shove is meh but that card dosen't change much and I do think he could ship a missed flush or something similar.

UTG: 92.36 BB (VPIP: 59.38, PFR: 14.74, 3Bet Preflop: 3.13, Hands: 96)
Hero (CO): 200 BB
BTN: 65.72 BB (VPIP: 21.06, PFR: 15.94, 3Bet Preflop: 5.34, Hands: 743)
SB: 173.64 BB (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
BB: 178.8 BB (VPIP: 72.73, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 23)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 9

UTG raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 6 BB, UTG calls 5 BB

Flop: (21.5 BB, 3 players) 8 4 9
BB checks, UTG bets 6 BB, Hero raises to 15 BB, fold, UTG calls 9 BB

Turn: (51.5 BB, 2 players) T
UTG bets 6 BB, Hero raises to 30 BB, UTG calls 24 BB

River: (111.5 BB, 2 players) 4
UTG bets 40.36 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 40.36 BB


Villain is fish so I just bet for max value, I didn't like river as we will split many pots and I will lose to AJ. But I do think he will call with any set, 2 pair etc so I can't fold to the shove right?


SB: 170.46 BB (VPIP: 68.97, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
Hero (BB): 278.56 BB
BTN: 61.54 BB (VPIP: 21.38, PFR: 15.76, 3Bet Preflop: 4.98, Hands: 802)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J T

fold, SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 9 K Q
SB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, SB calls 6 BB

Turn: (18 BB, 2 players) 5
SB checks, Hero bets 18 BB, SB calls 18 BB

River: (54 BB, 2 players) T
SB checks, Hero bets 54 BB, SB raises to 143.46 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 89.46 BB
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10-13-2014 , 08:02 PM
3betting A9o vs UTG in full ring against someone is awful, rest of hand is pretty bad too.

H2 b/f river can't see villain ever shoving worse. I'd also go smaller, board runout is crap.
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10-13-2014 , 08:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MMSS
3betting A9o vs UTG in full ring against someone is awful, rest of hand is pretty bad too.

H2 b/f river can't see villain ever shoving worse. I'd also go smaller, board runout is crap.
It's actually 5 max and he had been min opening crap before so I thought isoing with A9 in CO would be decent as i would have position on him as well. I would probably iso k10 aswell. I doubt he is aware of position. I'm interested about what you think post flop and what's bad about it.

Second hand yes board run out is bad and river should be smaller but I don't think that I would be able to lay it down anyway. I guess I'm a fish

Thanks for your comments
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10-13-2014 , 08:50 PM
First hand is dreadful

Second hand is good until river
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10-13-2014 , 09:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frozen_Starlight
It's actually 5 max and he had been min opening crap before so I thought isoing with A9 in CO would be decent as i would have position on him as well. I would probably iso k10 aswell. I doubt he is aware of position. I'm interested about what you think post flop and what's bad about it.

Second hand yes board run out is bad and river should be smaller but I don't think that I would be able to lay it down anyway. I guess I'm a fish

Thanks for your comments
I swear to god i can't read HHs for ****. Sorry.

I think you put him on a range of hands you beat and forgot about everything that he isn't folding which has you well beat. I still also dislike isoing in CO w/A9o.

When you post a hand give all relevant details too you seem to be justifying your actions after you've taken them rather than deriving the best possible action at the time. Everyone does it but it limits you getting better if you're not completely honest.

What's bad about it is you have weak top pair on the flop on a pretty dry board and raise, you raise the turn without thinking about villains actual range and then on the river when you have 2nd pair you call a donk shove.

Your sizing to leave such silly stack sizes on the river is also bad.
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10-14-2014 , 01:56 AM
I`ve recently requested HH for alltime I`m on PS and it`s just horrifying to see some hands from 2years ago... *shakes* The only thing I`m happy about is that I never limped even then.

October graph looks like a camel with multiple humps. The downswings are all the 5NL shots. I can`t seem to make any decision that`s not ******ed once I open a 5NL table. Too ashamed to even put HH here

/random rant.
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10-14-2014 , 03:37 AM
Villain is somewhat aggro reg playing 19/17 pre, but is superaggro postflop.


Pre std.

OTF he cbets a 84% overall and 100% in 3bet pots, so with the backdoors this feels like a must float.

Turn stab seem fairly standard to fold out his bluffs, which seems to be huge % of his range on this board.

But the problem arises when he call the turn stab. I just couldn't really put him on a range here and went for a kinda spewwy jam. There however are loads of flushes in my range, so I leveled myself into it.

Now as I think about it, range that calls the stab OTT, seems to only make sense with Kxcc.


    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #31596901

    SB: $26.42 (105.7 bb)
    BB: $30.19 (120.8 bb)
    UTG: $25 (100 bb)
    MP: $43.89 (175.6 bb)
    CO: $22.90 (91.6 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $47.64 (190.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with A J
    3 folds, Hero raises to $0.62, SB raises to $2.25, BB folds, Hero calls $1.63

    Flop: ($4.75) K 8 4 (2 players)
    SB bets $3, Hero calls $3

    Turn: ($10.75) 9 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $5.80, SB calls $5.80

    River: ($22.35) 8 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $21.34, SB calls $15.37 and is all-in




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    Last edited by doctor877; 10-14-2014 at 03:45 AM.
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    10-14-2014 , 04:15 AM
    Meh i just check down given his range is so wide.
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    10-14-2014 , 04:27 AM
    So the float and stab are okayish?
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    10-14-2014 , 04:54 AM
    Float is fine, stab unnecessary.
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    10-14-2014 , 07:12 AM
    Fold flop obv
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    10-14-2014 , 08:20 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mr Blonde
    Fold flop obv
    Just intuitively AJ seems too high in our range to fold here, surely? I haven't gone through the analysis in detail yet though so I could be wrong.
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    10-14-2014 , 11:28 AM
    Having the Ah and Jh is night and day different

    Also don't wanna peel linearly
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    10-14-2014 , 11:42 AM
    I'd tend to peel all combos of AJ. I'll work through it later. Also, considering we prob don't have a raising range given we only have 2 2p combos given pre (just because you'd r/c 84o doesn't mean doctor would ), I really don't see what's wrong with peeling linearly except insofar as absolute hand strength does not = best hands to peel (i.e. T9cc probably better to peel than QTo).
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    10-14-2014 , 11:46 AM
    That is exactly what I meant by don't wanna peel linearly

    Also you're peeling AJ no bdfd? ..
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    10-14-2014 , 01:31 PM
    Yeah I actually called a donk shove with second pair....... Im an idiot.
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    10-14-2014 , 02:06 PM
    Few hands from yesterdays session:

    pretty standard here?
    I think the problem with trip barrelling is that he can slowplay turn with boats. And as general guideline I wouldn't try to make him fold Kx here. Esp. in HU people tend to call down very light.

    Microgaming - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    Hero (BB): €50.00
    SB: €51.50 (VPIP: 29.03, PFR: 29.03, 3Bet Preflop: 26.32, Hands: 32)

    SB posts SB €0.25, Hero posts BB €0.50

    Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has 7 T

    SB raises to €1.00, Hero raises to €4.00, SB calls €3.00

    Flop: (€8.00, 2 players) K 8 9
    Hero bets €4.50, SB calls €4.50

    Turn: (€17.00, 2 players) K
    Hero bets €9.00, SB calls €9.00

    River: (€35.00, 2 players) 3
    Hero checks, SB bets €34.00 and is all-in, fold

    SB wins €68.00

    fold turn? raise cbet 17% (2/12) AF 1.8.
    My draw is very well disguised so I think there can be implied odds, but there's also the FD. He had WSD 85% (17/20), so I think it's possible he has a strong hand here.

    Microgaming - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BTN: €51.93 (VPIP: 37.39, PFR: 9.51, 3Bet Preflop: 3.29, Hands: 463)
    Hero (SB): €50.35
    BB: €69.34 (VPIP: 24.73, PFR: 18.91, 3Bet Preflop: 4.71, Hands: 280)
    CO: €21.33 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

    Hero posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

    Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has 5 7

    fold, fold, Hero raises to €1.50, BB calls €1.00

    Flop: (€3.00, 2 players) 6 T 4
    Hero bets €2.00, BB raises to €6.00, Hero calls €4.00

    Turn: (€15.00, 2 players) A
    Hero checks, BB bets €10.00, Hero calls €10.00

    River: (€35.00, 2 players) 5
    Hero checks, BB bets €51.84 and is all-in, fold

    BB wins €85.09

    2nd barrel here ok? not bluffing river on this card?
    Bet needs a bit less than 1/3 folds. Assuming villain doesn't have K or Q, we get 6/44 = 13.64% equity from overs. Overall mathematically we need 17.55% folds + we have some implied odds if we hit. So it's fine? Is not bluffing the river ok?

    Microgaming - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    CO: €50.00 (VPIP: 23.43, PFR: 19.08, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 422)
    Hero (BTN): €52.12
    SB: €15.55 (VPIP: 31.53, PFR: 19.31, 3Bet Preflop: 8.86, Hands: 209)
    BB: €50.00 (VPIP: 17.70, PFR: 13.58, 3Bet Preflop: 8.99, Hands: 249)

    SB posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

    Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has K Q

    CO raises to €1.50, Hero raises to €4.50, fold, fold, CO calls €3.00

    Flop: (€9.75, 2 players) 5 5 5
    CO checks, Hero bets €4.50, CO calls €4.50

    Turn: (€18.75, 2 players) 7
    CO checks, Hero bets €8.50, CO calls €8.50

    River: (€35.75, 2 players) T
    CO checks, Hero checks

    CO shows T T (Full House, Tens full of Fives) (Pre 56%, Flop 72%, Turn 84%)
    Hero mucks K Q (Three of a Kind, Fives) (Pre 44%, Flop 28%, Turn 16%)
    CO wins €33.97
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    10-14-2014 , 02:16 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Frozen_Starlight
    Yeah I actually called a donk shove with second pair....... Im an idiot.
    This might make you feel a little better:

      Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #31615161

      Hero (BTN): $26.98 (107.9 bb)
      SB: $26.82 (107.3 bb)
      BB: $27.24 (109 bb)
      UTG: $25.10 (100.4 bb)
      MP: $26.85 (107.4 bb)
      CO: $100.92 (403.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 9
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.50, SB raises to $1.75, BB calls $1.50, Hero raises to $5.50, SB calls $3.75, BB folds

      Flop: ($12.75) J 6 4 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($12.75) 7 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($12.75) 8 (2 players)
      SB bets $21.32 and is all-in, Hero calls $21.32

      Spoiler:
      Results: $55.39 pot ($2 rake)
      Final Board: J 6 4 7 8
      Hero showed 9 9 and lost (-$26.82 net)
      SB showed 8 8 and won $53.39 ($26.57 net)



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      Felt like a tool afterwards, WTF was he doing pre though? He's got a big 3bet % pre-flop and I felt confident I could 4bet fold here if it came to it. His call threw me off a bit, kind of felt it was AK with a heart by the time we got to the river. Or a slowplayed better overpair. I just convinced myself that I could be good here.
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