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10-06-2014 , 04:16 PM
@Summoner - I think your raise pre is bad (regularly wrong about this type of thing). Rest is fine.

@Frozen - I can never remember what stakes you are playing but you're probably never good on the flop tbh.
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10-06-2014 , 04:17 PM
@Summoner500 call river. you have 2pair, he can be value betting any ace.

Last edited by Zombiefan; 10-06-2014 at 04:18 PM. Reason: too slow
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10-06-2014 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MMSS
@Summoner - I think your raise pre is bad (regularly wrong about this type of thing). Rest is fine.

@Frozen - I can never remember what stakes you are playing but you're probably never good on the flop tbh.
I play on Swedish site so the stakes aren't the same but I am playing stakes similar to 5/10/25nl. That hand was from 25NL. Im only sitting here because I got position on a whale.

Villain is reggish so I think he can raise with draws there
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10-07-2014 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by MMSS
@Summoner - I think your raise pre is bad (regularly wrong about this type of thing). Rest is fine.
I disagree. With just one limper in the pot (even this TAG) and hero sitting on the button the raise is standard. And I agree that the rest is fine.
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10-07-2014 , 01:30 PM
Yeah the A5o iso is OK IMO as your guaranteed position, however I myself stay away from isolating with offsuit ragged aces, because thats exactly what fishes limp.
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10-07-2014 , 01:34 PM
Not a fan of the A5o iso raise unless we have some reads on how vil plays post flop.
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10-07-2014 , 01:37 PM
May I ask why A5o is a bad iso? If we can have position of a fish most of the time our cards dosen't matter as we will be able to outplay them postflop. We won't stack off with top pair no kicker if fish shows aggression and we will be able to just take the pot down on many favourable board textures.
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10-07-2014 , 01:39 PM
UTG: 103.5 BB (VPIP: 14.50, PFR: 9.92, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 133)
UTG calls 1 BB

Not sure if fish... Could be a regfish limping small PP's.
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10-07-2014 , 01:42 PM
Yeah missed that, seems to be kinda reggy stats.. but if hes limping small PP's and just plays fit or fold we can do the same vs him.
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10-07-2014 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Frozen_Starlight
May I ask why A5o is a bad iso? If we can have position of a fish most of the time our cards dosen't matter as we will be able to outplay them postflop. We won't stack off with top pair no kicker if fish shows aggression and we will be able to just take the pot down on many favourable board textures.
Without an idea of how vil plays post flop we have no idea if we can take it down on favourable textures or not. For all we know, taking two extremes, vil calls us down with any pair regardless of board texture or check-raises / reverse float a heap of flops and blows us off our hand. People get too cocky with the "we will outplay them post flop" without any idea plan on how exactly they will exploit and outplay their vil post flop
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10-07-2014 , 02:44 PM
I iso him because he was a tag which means he limp folds a lot and if he calls he usually has suited connectors or small pocket pairs , if he was a fish i wouldnt iso with A5o.
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10-07-2014 , 02:49 PM
I kind of want to play spin n' gos.
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10-07-2014 , 04:55 PM
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I kind of want to play spin n' gos.
This would have been more fun if my HUD didn't spazz out on 3 seated tables.
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10-07-2014 , 05:39 PM
What stake were you playing?

I didn't think a HUD would be required for those. Certainly not the $1 ones anyway.
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10-07-2014 , 05:45 PM
I wasn't saying a HUD is needed to beat $1 spin and gos I was saying it was annoying that it didn't work.

I also played one 3 & one 7.

I'd be amazed if I didn't have an edge in all those 3 games really and I suck HU.

I had a look at the payouts etc and just lol the swings must be hilarious.
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10-08-2014 , 04:20 AM
What da fek is a spin n go? Sounds like spin the bottle but with a quickie thrown in.
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10-08-2014 , 05:29 AM
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What da fek is a spin n go? Sounds like spin the bottle but with a quickie thrown in.
Well, quite often you end up feeling like you have been raped at the end of them, so if the empty wine bottles contents had been spiked with rohypnol then that might not be too far off.
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10-08-2014 , 07:28 AM
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I'd be amazed if I didn't have an edge in all those 3 games really and I suck HU.
I had a look at the payouts etc and just lol the swings must be hilarious.
You need to win about 36% of them to break even. Against tough players, you'll just break even in the long run (while earning a ton of VPPs).... unless you bink a jackpot.



Ridiculous game, imo, as very few people have a bankroll big enough to play enough volume to "overcome" the variance.
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10-08-2014 , 04:26 PM
Feel like a nit after reviewing my DB for xf'ing in 3b pots.
But with no equity and on connected boards, I think it's the right decision.

h1: Bet here? I think this is decent texture if villain doesn't float overcards. But it would be purely a bluff, so I think xf is fine too.

Microgaming - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): €50.00
BB: €50.00 (VPIP: 30.72, PFR: 22.70, 3Bet Preflop: 8.05, Hands: 1,033)
UTG: €91.09 (VPIP: 29.94, PFR: 25.15, 3Bet Preflop: 10.17, Hands: 175)
CO: €19.09 (VPIP: 27.59, PFR: 6.90, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 29)
BTN: €129.92 (VPIP: 20.89, PFR: 16.44, 3Bet Preflop: 6.94, Hands: 527)

Hero posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has A 6

fold, fold, BTN raises to €1.00, Hero raises to €4.00, fold, BTN calls €3.00

Flop: (€8.50, 2 players) 2 8 T
Hero checks, BTN bets €4.50, fold

BTN wins €12.58

h2: vs fish with high fold to cbet. FT3B 0% (0/7). can we bluff here?

Microgaming - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: €112.06 (VPIP: 20.20, PFR: 16.16, 3Bet Preflop: 8.39, Hands: 397)
Hero (BB): €52.38
BTN: €24.28 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 28.43, 3Bet Preflop: 10.64, Hands: 104)

SB posts SB €0.25, Hero posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has K Q

BTN raises to €1.00, fold, Hero raises to €4.00, BTN calls €3.00

Flop: (€8.25, 2 players) 5 J 7
Hero checks, BTN bets €4.00, fold

BTN wins €11.84
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10-08-2014 , 04:31 PM
xf is waaay better with A6dd unless he's doing something really wrong. I'd cb KQ small.
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10-08-2014 , 04:52 PM
Ok. No reason to deviate with A6s then. That is the way I review hands. Look for standard lines and ask if deviating is better.
Next topic I have is defending vs 3-bets. A ton of hands to be reviewed.

h1: Vs aggressive reg with 82% cbet in 3-bet pots. When he doesn't cbet it did ring my alarm bells. He should always bluff this texture, so it looks like some SDV he doesn't want to bet.
I think flop should still be a bet. I don't like my line OTT. Do you bet turn or x down? I hate giving up, but I didn't have a river plan.
Given this action, would a reg put me on weak ace, that I can bet twice after flop check?

OnGame - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $97.06 (VPIP: 26.03, PFR: 20.40, 3Bet Preflop: 9.65, Hands: 1,512)
BB: $176.77 (VPIP: 24.00, PFR: 18.74, 3Bet Preflop: 8.18, Hands: 1,660)
UTG: $50.75 (VPIP: 25.79, PFR: 21.18, 3Bet Preflop: 11.01, Hands: 972)
CO: $51.49 (VPIP: 20.89, PFR: 16.82, 3Bet Preflop: 6.89, Hands: 778)
Hero (BTN): $56.92

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has J T

fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, BB raises to $3.50, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.25, 2 players) A K 5
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($7.25, 2 players) 6
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($7.25, 2 players) J
BB checks, Hero checks

h2: Another aggressive reg, AF 3.8. Cbet in 3-bet pots 94%. Kind of same story as previous hand. Just give up or? I mean he should always bluff here...
My flat pre seems horrible given his playstlye, but it's an old hand.

OnGame - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $46.91 (VPIP: 23.05, PFR: 17.41, 3Bet Preflop: 8.60, Hands: 2,486)
BB: $92.43 (VPIP: 25.23, PFR: 20.18, 3Bet Preflop: 10.97, Hands: 2,222)
UTG: $66.29 (VPIP: 22.53, PFR: 16.71, 3Bet Preflop: 7.32, Hands: 3,371)
CO: $36.36 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (BTN): $49.25

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has J 7

fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.25, fold, BB raises to $3.25, Hero calls $2.00

Flop: ($6.75, 2 players) 4 A 5
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($6.75, 2 players) Q
BB bets $5.50, fold

h3: vs fish. cbet or x down? Do you call turn?
Xc flop, check/donk turn is the typical nuts line for fish in 3b pots
So I folded, and waited for more information. But given what I said about slowplaying, he can check river, with nuts and with air, so maybe call is ok?

Microgaming - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: €50.69 (VPIP: 55.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 20)
UTG: €50.00 (VPIP: 16.29, PFR: 14.04, 3Bet Preflop: 5.19, Hands: 183)
MP: €31.33 (VPIP: 48.16, PFR: 7.75, 3Bet Preflop: 3.08, Hands: 282)
CO: €67.67 (VPIP: 20.40, PFR: 16.27, 3Bet Preflop: 4.59, Hands: 1,285)
Hero (BTN): €52.28
SB: €105.19 (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 20.77, 3Bet Preflop: 14.41, Hands: 644)

SB posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has 3 3

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to €1.25, fold, BB raises to €3.50, Hero calls €2.25

Flop: (€7.25, 2 players) 2 8 8
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (€7.25, 2 players) 9
BB bets €3.50, fold
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10-08-2014 , 05:21 PM
I have a feeling you should be betting JTs on that flop after villain checks the flop because you block his x/c hands like AT, AJ, TT/JJ arguably call one street, we have position, plenty of cards to continue ott and reasonably small showdown value imo.

No idea if that's right but someone can abuse the logic if so.

J7s is a really easy fold pre, arguably start dropping things like this from our opening range if he's 3betting a lot, being really aggro postflop. Still unlikely he's defending enough anyway so opening may very well be +EV anyway.

Don't really like defending 33 otb vs a 3b either if people are 3betting a wide range. Don't know why you want to do anything but fold on the turn, can't see any arguments for betting flop either.
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10-08-2014 , 09:02 PM
Yeah I noticed that it's tough to play 22-55 in 3-bet pots. Feel like they are just a bluffing hand when you don't flop a set. Hard to check down 3 streets expecting to win at showdown.
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10-09-2014 , 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Fishtankz
Yeah I noticed that it's tough to play 22-55 in 3-bet pots. Feel like they are just a bluffing hand when you don't flop a set. Hard to check down 3 streets expecting to win at showdown.
22-55 has gotten me into a lot of difficult spots and not just in 3bet pots. As you said, we're basically flopping a set or we're turning our hand into a bluff since we have so few ways to improve.
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10-09-2014 , 06:52 AM



Off to a great start. Goal for the month is 25k hands, $1500 in profit.




This hand makes me sick, played like a total fish.


PokerStars - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 96.36 BB

MP+1: 85.16 BB

MP+2: 141.28 BB

CO: 63.6 BB

Hero (BTN): 255 BB

SB: 176.28 BB

BB: 99.24 BB

UTG: 109.04 BB

UTG+1: 93.6 BB


SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7 8

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 7 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) 6 5 Q
SB bets 10.48 BB, Hero calls 10.48 BB

Turn: (41.96 BB, 2 players) K
SB checks, Hero bets 14.6 BB, SB raises to 85.76 BB, fold



Went full ****ing ****** on the turn. Villain is Tag, bordering on Nit. At nearly 200bb deep, vs villains range, I feel like there is tons of value playing 87 IP. Villain cbets, easy call with top end of OESD. Villain xs turn, and I bet... Why? WHY? This is one of those, 'WTF was I thinking? Ah, right, I wasn't thinking.' Villain x/r and at this point I am looking at exactly QQ/KK. Im certain that every time I complete the straight on the river I get villains stack. I definitely wish I could have this one back.
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