I've seen a lot of graphs with their non-showdown winnings a lot closer to the even line than most, and am just wondering how to achieve this, is it taking advantage of limpers and just pummeling them on the flop and turn, or not engaging in raised flops with nothing else than premium hands? Here's my graph (lifetime).



As you can see during my 35k break even stretch, my showdown winnings have continued at a reasonable pace where as my non-showdown winnings have continued to drop at the standard pace, and I think this is a major leak which is causing my downswing/break even stretch at the minute.

A little help would be appreciated, I'll post up the images of my general stats before break even and during breakeven so we can compare the CCPF and relevant stats which will be able to help me understand what I've changed. I understand variance and just have to wait for it to break itself, but I figure looking at my game and manually getting out of it will help me a lot and would appreciate it if some more, or less, experienced members would give me a hand in pulling me out of it.

I had to withdraw $220 aswell, so my BR isn't as high as the graph suggest atm ($60). So continuing to play breakeven is a little annoying as my roll is so small, and if I'm going to reload, I'd rather do it knowing I've plugged a leak rather than breakeven with that aswell.

My stats/graph for comparison.

What level are you playing at?

Looks like you're playing too fit/fold.

Cbet more appropriately. Float/RR in position more. Steal more, 3B PF more.

Really appreciate that pal, just going over it now. I was moving up to 10NL before I withdrew and moved back to 5NL because I wasn't rolled properly after the withdrawal. Here are the comparisons, the top is the good times, bottom is the swing/break even, this is more for myself more than anything, so I can review it properly aswell as hopefully getting some suggestions from some higher stakes regs.

(I will be comparing 5NL, as the sample size at 10NL is too small, and 2NL includes me messing around with some stuff recently.)

GENERAL - PLAYER SUMMARY




As you can see this went downhill completely. My win rate was severally effected, not really much I can gather from these except that I was leaking, and leaking violently. I beat 2NL comprehensively, and 5NL was just as easy if a little less fishier, although still 95% fish at the level, I started off at 10NL on a heater I guess and that went down the drain, although I didn't really see much of a step up in my time there to be fair.

GENERAL - PLAYER STATISTICS




VP$IP & PFR - This is where I can really tell where I was leaking from. I kept a similar starting hand range, except I got a little more aggressive, I guess this is where I started raising all PP's in all positions and really learnt the value of set mining, perhaps at 5NL I can limp my low-mid PP's in early position instead of raising the 5xBB everytime I enter with them except iso-raising and if it's folded around to me in late position.

W$WSF - Hmm, this is strange, I actually improved this statistic by ~2.77%. Maybe this is because I took down more pots on the flop by cbetting my PP's instead of passively giving up when I missed when I limped in before.

WTSD% - I went to showdown .69% more, which isn't huge I suppose, so I don't think this is hugely relevant to be fair, the next statistic (W$SD%) will tell me if I've been showing down a lot worse than before.

W$SD% - I lost at the showdown 4.05% less than before, which seems pretty relevant. Have I opened my range up a bit more and taken them too far when I could perhaps have folded before hand? Seems like it.

Aggression Factor - Wow, .56 higher, which is about 35%, this is huge. My aggression has cranked up a ton, is this really needed at these stakes? Well 'mcfals02' had an AF of 4.05 @ 5NL, I'm not sure on the sample size, but his is monstrous to mine so is this one of the factor's behind me leaking money somewhere? Maybe.

Aggression Frequency - This has moved up 6.01% aswell, as expected, so the same conclusion can be taken from the previous statistic (AF), maybe this is a problem combined with something else? Although this is the same as 'mcfals02's, so I'm unsure.


3bet, F3bet, Att.Steal, C3bet - These are all pretty similar apart from my 3bet%. I personally think this is fine in my opinion, if anything my previous statistic was too low and most 3bets at these stakes are perceived as AA or KK, so I think this is certainly an improvement, tell me if I'm wrong?

Flop, Turn, River AF - A rise of 0.96% on the flop, .43% on the turn and a drop of .23% on the river. These are big numbers in relation to the size of the general %, so perhaps I need to learn more about cbetting flops, learning when's a good time to double barrel and perhaps when I can valuebet on the river?

CCPF - .38% down, which isn't really huge, I don't think this bares any major relevance, although maybe I can get it back up a little. My 3bet has risen and my cold calling has dropped, so maybe my aggression has taken over a little here again?

Fold to flop cbet - One thing I don't do enough, float or reraise a dry flop, like 'mcfals02' said, too much fit and fold IMO, I'll look at good spots to raise and good spots to float, another thing I'll work on.

Overall - It seems I've got a little more aggressive, which could be something. I think my AF & AFq was a little too different to what it was, maybe I can tone this down and just concentrate on seeing cheap opportunities to take down bigger pots? Overall not much changed massively except my aggression, which has alarm bells ringing for sure.

POSITION - POSITION STATISTICS




As you can see I learnt a bit more about position, although I didn't really abuse the button as some would say. Amazingly, my biggest winning position, the button, turned into my biggest loser (except the blinds), I'm losing money on the button! I've got a similar W$WSF, but my aggression is putting more money in the pot which is probably a major factor here, I'm losing a lot, but my Win % has risen, my W$SD% has dropped nearly 10% which tells me I'm showing down a lot of junk, but I've gone to showdown about 5% less, which is weird.

MONEY WON (NON-SHOWDOWN & SHOWDOWN) FOR HANDS PLAYED




Not a lot I can gain from this except the huge variance levels compared to that of before, over a similar sample size. My Non-Showdown's is on course, that's the same, it's the showdowns which are killing me, I'm showing down a lot of junk when I see a showdown, which I think I need to work on.

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I would really appreciate it if anyone's bored or whatever if they could look over this and suggest anything I may have missed, or even suggest more important statistics which are available in PT. My showdowns look like a big leak as does perhaps my aggression? I think I may change to a little more passive style for the mean time, not going overaly aggressive with low-mid PP's preflop, and generally analyse hands a little more and look for spots to fold rather than looking for spots to call, after all, I should be laying back and allowing the fish to give me their money, instead of me looking to take it, right?

I don't expect much but anything would be much appreciated.

Same problem in here, playing NL50 (started@ NL10) but feels like my Non-Showdown Winnings just kill my winrate.

How often do you float ?
How often do you check/raise bluff on appropriate, dry boards ?
How often do you reraise bluff IP postflop ?

Looks like I know to play ABC poker but i'm too less fancy and bluffy, seems like a major leak.

I've played fit or fold for the last 4 months(60k hands), basically because I was told it's profitable from 25nl and down. It's not profitable at all at 25nl. My hand reading is fairly good but I still never tried to take them off their hand post flop because everything I read told me not to play like that. I now realize that you need to do this.

I've also started taking notes on when I take down flops when I've actually made a strong hand. I would raise flop, they fold. I would get mad that they didn't pay my set or whatever off. I then realized that my own hand didn't matter at that point. They would have folded even if I had nothing. Try to tie what board that was in with their perceived hand ranges and you use can use it for exploitation.

What exactly do u mean by playing fit or fold ? If you don't hit the flop u were looking fold you insta fold without considering a fancy play ?

Indeed when you think about it there aren't many hands that can stand a check/raise on the flop, or a raise IP.

For the most part yeah, I would just fold if I didn't hit. Of course I'm always cbetting every good board so it's not like I'm just check folding every time. I didn't play 100% fit or fold I guess. I was able to float regs occasionally but I didn't nearly do it often enough. I never raised the flop or turn unless I had a monster though. Which is obviously exploitable and I knew this. I just didn't think it mattered for 25nl. My non-showdown winnings were absolutely terrible though, way worse than OP's.

I think it'd also be interesting to see flop raise cbet% from people.

to improve your non-showdown winnings, cbet less and bluff more. i.e dont cbet as often, but when u do, be prepared to fire multiple barrels.

fwiw, at 25NL this probably wont work that well, so u should work on just cbetting less, and triple barreling when u actually have it

Found one of the major leaks in my game, and I have no idea or any recollection of actually calling so many bets, so from now, when calling a bet, unless there's multiple players in the pot or myself and the villain are deepstacked, I'll be putting down most suited connectors, hands like ATs or KQs OOP, and just try to see cheap flops against deep villains with small PP's and SC's. I was showing down a lot of garbage.

FILTER - CALLING BETS PF




I proceeded to go through a lot of the statistics in the filter threads and come out with the followin' conclusions.

• STOP PLAYING OFFSUIT CONNECTORS SO MUCH!
• STOP PLAYING ACE SUITED TOO MUCH!
• STOP PLAYING A2o-A9o OTB!
• START FOLDING MIDDLE PAIR!
• STOP CBETTING SO MUCH!
• STOP CALLING TOO MUCH PRE-FLOP!

stop playing out of position is probably your major leak. you are probably defending your blinds too much imo

My VPIP's too high for most position, I should tighten up a little?

I rarely defend unless i have 22+, AQ+ or the vilain has a high steal % from the BTN or CO.

Uh, not playing A2o-A9o if you're to open raise is throwing money away.

Given the context of the post I think all of those were with a raise in front of him.

Position, position, position.

Learn how to play position and that will change.

Trying to force a positive red line at micros leads to trouble trust me.