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07-05-2012 , 07:57 AM
UTG+2 - 23/8/4 over 26 hands
BB - 16/12/0 over 26 hands

I wanted to 4bet the flop in this spot because didn't like the idea of both villains seeing a turn with such a draw heavy board but wasn't sure.

Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1813520
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BTN: $1.93
SB: $2.02
BB: $8.08
Hero (UTG): $5.07
UTG+1: $5.07
UTG+2: $5.61
MP1: $7.62
MP2: $5.00
CO: $3.90

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $0.20, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $0.20, 5 folds, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.62) 4 3 6 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.44, UTG+2 raises to $0.90, BB calls $0.90, Hero calls or raises???
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07-05-2012 , 08:26 AM
This is a tough spot, but as I read it neither of the villains can have KK or AA. Also 2 pr is unlikely for either villain. So we are usually ahead or behind only to a set; but, as you said, facing a very good draw.

I like a 3 bet shove here because I think folding out (or at least making them pay for) their A or K draws makes sense to me. The spectre of UTG+2 holding 66,44, or 33 is real but imo he/they are more frequently drawing to the flush, str8 or sometimes A6. Let's deny them drawing odds by shoving here and see what they do.
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07-05-2012 , 08:32 AM
Cheers for posting this hand, I think you might have helped me with one of my leaks, I'd normally fold here, but I definitely wouldn't call and would either shove or fold, but more than likely fold for me :\
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07-05-2012 , 09:42 AM
If UTG+2 is on a draw, why is he minraising (essentially)? Sure, he's aggro, but you think he'd realise that the odds given to you essentially mandate a call, so I don't think it's a semibluff. I don't think we can remove 77-JJ from his range though, particularly the upper end of those, so I'm leaning towards a shove, expecting to have a WA/WB situation in which I'm ahead more often than behind.
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07-06-2012 , 05:46 PM
Raise, looking to get it in.
Flush/straight draws are unlikely (and only AKhh and A5hh are favourites to beat you), but you're crushing 77-JJ. If UTG2 has a set, it's a cooler. I'm not getting away from this hand. There are too many combos that raise this flop that don't beat QQ.
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07-06-2012 , 05:56 PM
I would fold here unless I had reasons not to.

A 23/8 isn't going to raise a draw here multiway that often, nor is he going to raise TT that often. Factor in BB overcalling and I think you are toast way to often and you have serious reverse implied odds if you happen to be in front now.
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07-06-2012 , 06:58 PM
I would probably flat, then bomb a brick turn and fold to a shove.
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07-06-2012 , 07:17 PM
Folding... and being happy about it.

Take a note if this gets to SD
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07-06-2012 , 07:59 PM
I think it's a clear fold. You have an overpair but you are likely up against a set or a big draw/combo draw. let them fight it out. make some notes.
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07-06-2012 , 08:06 PM
The min-raise doesn't make much sense, whether UTG+2 has a set or is semi-bluffing. If he had a set, he should raise more because the board is so wet. If he is semi-bluffing, he should make it bigger so he has some FE. This might be a middle pair from 77-TT that isn't sure where it's at in the hand and is throwing out sort of a "blocking raise" to slow you down for the rest of the hand. But I've gone on tilt from trying to figure out the motives of people with 23/8 stats. We also have to be concerned with the 16/12 cold-calling. On balance, I'd say you're beat by someone here pretty often, and if not, you've not very far ahead. I think if you didn't have a this would be a clear fold, but since you do it's pretty close.
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