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Old 06-02-2009, 07:03 AM   #76
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Re: NL10 to NL200 experiment - finding a way to beat each limit

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well i am platinum level on stars and like soon to be supernova... i kinda get asked why im playing NL10 lol. to which i usually just say "coz i want to".

the guy with TT in the 1st hand berated me etc actually and was like "wow if u play NL400 then i cant wait to move up"... i was like ooooooooook when u 5bet TT for value vs a cold 4bet 150bb deep then im sure u will do very well..

lol guy wins a flip and berates you /facepalm, so how hard is it for you switching up your playing styles form NL10 to NL400 since your apparently playing both while y ou do this
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Old 06-02-2009, 07:25 AM   #77
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Re: NL10 to NL200 experiment - finding a way to beat each limit

name is jackwilcox on stars.

mmm i did a little playing of both am keeping them seperate now tho. playing stars mainly like GMT daytime and full tilt GMT evening
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Old 06-02-2009, 08:09 AM   #78
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Re: NL10 to NL200 experiment - finding a way to beat each limit

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $7.75
BB: $10.35
UTG: $22.65
MP: $17.10
CO: $10.15
BTN: $15.95

Pre Flop: ($0.15)
1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70) 4 A 5 (2 players)
SB checks, MP bets $1.10, SB calls $1.10

Turn: ($2.90) T (2 players)
SB checks, MP bets $2.80, SB calls $2.80

River: ($8.50) Q (2 players)
SB bets $3.55 all in, MP calls $3.55

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Nice call, Jack. Any reads behind here?
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Old 06-02-2009, 08:15 AM   #79
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Re: NL10 to NL200 experiment - finding a way to beat each limit

He had a set...? What reads are needed?
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Old 06-02-2009, 08:18 AM   #80
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Re: NL10 to NL200 experiment - finding a way to beat each limit

only thing that beats me is a flush.

the hand was played quite like a flush draw in that it was check and insta-called down... but i mean its under a half pot sized bet on the river so i have to be ahead like 1 time in 3 to break even. i expect to see enough random Ax/ 2 pair etc to make it right 33% of the time.
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Old 06-02-2009, 08:18 AM   #81
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He had a set...? What reads are needed?
lol well in fairness, villain is repping a flush which beats a set ldo.
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Old 06-02-2009, 08:20 AM   #82
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Re: NL10 to NL200 experiment - finding a way to beat each limit

c/c, c/c, shove when flush hits. For most beginners, as this is a beginner forum, I was just fishing for an explanation for the forum, and as this is Jack's thread where he's going through the limits and explaining some hands, I thought it'd be an interesting hand for most who may not know what to do in this situation..
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Old 06-02-2009, 08:28 AM   #83
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Re: NL10 to NL200 experiment - finding a way to beat each limit

mmm like i said its basically a pot odds problem. i have to be right 33% of the time. since i dont know villain and he could be doing it with air, i assume i am. if villain had a pot sized bet left this would be pretty close.

most villains i think tend to check their flush looking to check raise though. or bet smaller hoping i would call. insta-call 2 streets then think for a while and shove = "well i guess i can rep a flush now"
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Old 06-02-2009, 10:48 AM   #84
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using overbets to maximise vs opponents range...

ok, i saw someone earlier post something about how i might use different bet sizing to maximise. i think this is a pretty cool example. villain is a reg playing a few tables with general tag stats.

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Hero (UTG): $16.90
CO: $8.75
BTN: $10.00
SB: $13.25
BB: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with J 9
Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 3 5 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

again, i dont cbet this flop. i cant really represent anything, and it also hits villains button flatting range quite well. pocket pairs look good, A high hands look good, and a lot of small/ medium connectors have pairs/ gutshots. basically i get floated on this flop a lot if i cbet.

Turn: ($0.75) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, BTN calls $0.60

hit a sweet turn card and decide to extract some value from hands that villain checked back flop with. i think he checks back most of his range since he probably has some showdown value and he cant get value out of much by betting the flop. a lot of his range now has at least a decent draw, or is a pair+ a draw so i dont expect him to fold this turn much

River: ($1.95) J (2 players)
Hero bets $3.20, BTN calls $3.20

obv river the effective nuts, i expect to have the best hand here like 100% of the time and need to go to value town. i think a lot of villains here are either pair + missed draws, occasional 2 pair hands, and maybe overcards that has paired the jack (JT/ QJ type hands). my line looks really weird to him as i dont rep a whole lot so i expect to be called down quite lightly. therefore i go for an overbet... i think if villain has a decent pair like a JT hand/ 2pair he is calling an overbet just as frequently as a pot sized bet since theres not much i can really have based on how the hand has played

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Old 06-02-2009, 11:06 AM   #85
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mmm like i said its basically a pot odds problem. i have to be right 33% of the time. since i dont know villain and he could be doing it with air, i assume i am. if villain had a pot sized bet left this would be pretty close.

most villains i think tend to check their flush looking to check raise though. or bet smaller hoping i would call. insta-call 2 streets then think for a while and shove = "well i guess i can rep a flush now"

^^^ villain had 3 dollar left on 8 dollar pot I think he shoves a flush here almost always? I mean why would he check raise when the pot is already so big that you cant fold? I cant see the spoiler but if he did have a set then he is terribad.
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Old 06-02-2009, 11:08 AM   #86
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^ jackwilcox,


How are you doing in the plo game btw? I cant win a ****ing 60/40 and my top sets dont fill when i repot flop. The idiots keep calling 2 streets and hitting river. Good thing I have rakeback!


how do you feel about NEVER bluffing at the nano plo?
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Re: NL10 to NL200 experiment - finding a way to beat each limit

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i use poker tracker. have not purchased any hands though.
Great thread, GL

About your HUD, how is yours set up? Which stats do you deem the most important while you are in a hand?

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^^^ villain had 3 dollar left on 8 dollar pot I think he shoves a flush here almost always? I mean why would he check raise when the pot is already so big that you cant fold? I cant see the spoiler but if he did have a set then he is terribad.
i dont give a fishy villain credit for thinking on this sort of level.

there is a lot to do with timing tells. in this hand he check insta-called down then paused for ages on the river thinking what to do.... i dont give him credit for this because the tells contradict. why wud he not stop to think about what to do with his flush draw earlier in the hand, but then suddenly stop to think about what to do now he has hit? it doesnt make sense

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Old 06-02-2009, 01:15 PM   #89
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Great thread, GL

About your HUD, how is yours set up? Which stats do you deem the most important while you are in a hand?

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i have it set up to show vpip/ pfr/ agg/ 3bet pre/ fold to 3bet/ cbet%

its good to know how much people are 3betting i think. most good players have similar vpip/ pfr raise stats, but 3bet% and fold to 3bet% can vary greatlly. some people 3bet 10% others only 4%. this makes a massive difference in terms of how lightly they are 3betting, and therefore how lightly i can 4bet them.

cbet% is obv self explanatory. you only flop a pair or better like 35% of the time. someone who has 85% cbet or whatever is just not getting anywhere near most flops
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damn you punk
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