Goodluck on your journey Jack. I hope you make it, It will inspire us trying to do the same.

Saira

jack, you punk!

Minraise on flop is top or middle pair with no kicker. Minraise on later streets is usually the nuts.

hey jack, you have a decent enough hand count now to give out some numbers? im curious what your vpip/prf. cbets/ wtsd% w$sd% is and maybe a graph would be cool with ptbb/100... sorry if i missed this post if you have already..

played like 8k hands or so running like 28/23. not sure on cbet its probably quite high as i cbet most flops since everyone seems to be check folding. ptbb/100 is only like 2.5, took me a little time to adjust to how 10NL plays, but is mainly because i am running ridiculously bad in the big pots atm even in my usual 2/4 game, its really doing my head in this week has been hell.

ahh sucks to hear.... i think a ptbb of 5 or 6 though at 10nl would be considered crushing it once you factor in variance both ways...

also sorry for the dumb question but whats the "2/4" game you talk about? i've heard you mention that before, maybe i just missed the post where you explained it.. can you point me to a sticky or explain or anyone for that matter? thanks

He plays some 400NL games (with $2/4 blinds), that's what he means.

ohh.. was confused.. that there was some dif type of strategy with odds or something that i hadn't heard of.. lol.. turns out its just 400nl strat thanks ro

p.s. min 3 bet aces

i might not be playing it for much longer if i run as below EV as i have been tbh.

anyway yea, gonna put in sum more hours at NL10 hopefully be at NL25 on stars pretty soon

Hey just been looking through a few hands that you played at 200NL. Namely the AKss.

https://www.pokertableratings.com/re...ash=1406695841



Any history with Villain or was it just a tilted shove as villains line seemed pretty strong

and Is this like totally standard?

I see people do this all the time at the micros,

its jus that I always thought there was more to poker than winning filps?

Just dont let the US gaming comission get their hands on that one.....

Deffo 1 for the poker "isn't a game of skill" brigade

totally standard hand 100bb deep

there is more to poker than winning flips. his line does look strong. but i can never 4bet fold AK otherwise it implies i was bluffing, which i obv wasnt. if u dont get AK in for 100bb pre then its a leak barring some ridiculously exceptional circumstances

Super standard

heres a really cool hand from earlier....

this guy was a reg, playing something like 22/19 maybe a little bit different im not too sure, but pre flop stats are largely irrelevant, i just know he is a pretty gd regular player..

here is how i expect my opponent to think about this hand..

1) obv i 3bet big pairs, and hands such as AK etc, therefore the majority of hands i call with are no where near that board. they are mostly pocket pairs trying to hit a set, or big broadway cards looking to hit a pair.

2) i think of his range as largely atc since he raised from the button.

so he knows most of my range missed. thus, why is he betting? well the short answer is, to get me to fold. why would he want me to fold? well probably because he missed also.. he cud b looking for value, but with the ridiculously wide range he is raising from on the button that is pretty unlikely and is far more likely for him to just be making a standard cbet like he would always make when he has missed.

now i could check raise the flop. however, most people check raise with draws so that it is supposedly deceptive, when they flopped a set etc. this opponent will know that if check raise the flop i am mainly repping a draw though purely because there are so few value hands that i can have (the only hands i can check raise for value here is like 22, 66, 77 and maybe 67), so i think "how can i credibly rep a good hand"?


my answer is to check call now then check raise the turn. obv if i check call now and check raise a blank turn, i can rep a set. if i check call now then check raise a card that completes either the flush or the straight, i can legitimately rep either of those 2 hands. either way, its likely he has a lot of hands different to those specific ones, so its likely my play will come off.

the turn ends up being a blank, but since its a broadway card i expect him to barrel anyway, since whats kings are there in my range?? (none) and he can obv rep a cbet that suddenly hit a pair and therefore push me off whatever i check call with on the flop

also, if you were to hold a king here, how do u feel about this check raise?? i think my line is very consistent with a strong hand and therefore i think he will lay down most of what he holds here, even something like KQ is pretty marginal after a line such as mine.


Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $12.00
Hero (SB): $17.15
BB: $13.90
UTG: $4.55
MP: $10.00
CO: $16.25

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with T J
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70) 7 2 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.70) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1, Hero raises to $3.30, BTN folds

I don't think villain at 10NL will consider folding a K here, imho you may be overthinking it. He most likely has air and would've folded to a flop raise also. Thing is, when you raise turn, your range is also very narrow, you're repping K6 or K7, really, but all the two pairs and sets on the flop would've raised the flop, right? So even on -that- level, this isn't that good. IP, okay, maybe you'd flat call since you can guarantee a bet goes in on the turn, but OOP a thinking villain won't expect you to raise anything credibly on the turn, surely?

Now if the board was dryer, like without the flush draw, perhaps then a float would be okay?

That said, aren't OOP floats in general a bit FPS, especially for 10NL?

Just my opinion on this particular scenario of course, I am all for taking creative lines, but am dubious about this one.

Also:

lol...

in all fairness it wasnt a great turn card to rep. i was hoping it was be like a 5 or a diamond. but i still think it looks real strong to check raise this turn imo.

maybe its a bit fps, im not sure. i mean, i dont expect a reg to be stacking off with like KT here, do u? i dont know if i would check raise a set on the flop either, purely because theres not much villain can have which will call me (sounds counter-intuitive to not check raise bluff then, but yea, i think he will be barreling a lot of turn cards with his likely air)

i dunno, i guess im open to hear what others think, i kinda like it though as something to do every now and then. for the purposes of the thread i think its quite cool as its something non-standard at least (whether its +EV is open to discussion)

I agree with this. I am almost never afraid of a re-pop on the flop. I am much more afraid of the dreaded re-pop on the turn, which on a dry board in my experience can mean a set pretty often. I am massively tight in my games (like 12/8 or something) so sometimes regs float my flop just to repop me on turn though. With big pairs I play pot-control and re-repop those guys often and those guys will fold en masse. This is very read dependent though and it much scarier against another TAGnit.

I was surprised at the lack of graphs ITT.

u will find if u have a high cbet% but then a low double barrel%, or... a high fold to turn raise%, then u will start getting owned a bit by regs. making a tiny raise on the turn is relatively cheap compared to how big the pot usually is.

There is definitely a bit of fancy play syndrome in your though process, which I appreciate but I have to laugh about with these levels. Most of the regs are generally not capable of some of the though processes you are going into and subscribing to them. I would go so far to say like 1 in 5 maybe and that might be generous. A raise from the button is just because they read articles or saw stoxpoker videos and learned that it usually works. Then the cbet is simply because they know they are supposed to cbet when they do and don't miss. If he had connected on that turn card you were likely going to be getting it all in or bluffing the river. PP's TT-QQ probably also make you bluff the river. Because it's not credibly in your range? No, because its "just one over"

In my opinion playing at these levels could be dangerous to your game. You really have to turn off half your brain and think simply and sometimes just do stuff that is so "obviously tricky" even though you know it would be suicide at higher levels. It is very easy to bring those bad habits back to the bigger games.

I definitely appreciate your posts though.

yea i must admit that maybe sometimes i overthink things. part of the experiment is to try and play against regs though and see what i can get away with etc, so i can maybe post some new ideas for people who play these limits regularly - im trying to work out what level the regs seem to be thinking on and therefore finding out how i can exploit it.

some of my fps wont work and will make me look ridiculous, but hopefully i can post something of interest - i at least think the hands i have posted so far have been interesting, if a little -EV in the long run

i almost have 20 buy ins for NL25 now so i will be playing some of that soon, i know some people wanted 2 see graphs/ stats etc so i will post them when i move up.

Wow already? Nice work!

It will be interesting to see if you notice any distinct gaps/differences between the levels of play as an experienced player rather than someone who is still learning improving as the rise through the ranks.

my aim is to write a little bit about the limit in terms of what to look out for when u sit at a table, what common leaks regs have, how best to exploit the fish etc.

will probably not end up being that great a review though because im rubbish at putting stuff into words!

Good Luck & See you at the tables!

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4917/nl10.jpg

this should be my graph/ stats for NL10. graph is a bit meh, at the start as u can see i was getting destroyed from showdowns really - i lost quite a few flips etc that i cant really do anything about. think i recovered ok though as i got more used to the limit.

am off out now as its half 8 saturday where i am, so going to the student union for a few drinks... will right a bit tomorrow about NL10 and what i think are some of the interesting things i have spotted, as well as ways that maybe you could add little things to net you a couple of extra bb's

Graph isn't bad at all considering the run bad. I'm in the midst of a nice little 15k hand stretch at 2.5BB/100 due to a lot of the same (pretty anemic for 10NL and 20NL imo but hey, I'm still winning, right? lol).

Solid thread so far though, the observations should help players that are struggling moving from the calling station-fests at 2/4/5NL to 10/20/25NL where there are a lot more players that I would label as regulars and don't have as many leaks that are super obvious to beginning players. Even if some of the plays aren't all great, I'm of the opinion that avoiding table selection somewhat at 10-50NL in order to learn how to beat the slightly more solid players you're going to run into there compared to nano-stakes is pretty +EV in the long run, and the only way to do that is to think about what the more solid players are doing with different parts of their ranges and how they respond to plays they aren't used to.

Keep it up.