awesome thread.

bump

Somewhere in the software section (I think) there is a guy making a tracking program for mac... last I knew it was getting pretty decent reviews.. I'll see if I can dig up the link.

edit: found it... it's still in beta, but the guy seems to be doing a pretty decent job on it.

Who's for this thread to be sticky?

that looks decent, i really like hem tho - hopefully they bring one out.

would be awesome if that happened, but id have to re-write the thread because its huge and all the strategy posts are spread apart... id be up for doing it though if a mod asked me to

jack, you might've addressed this earlier in the monster thread, but do you have a lifetime graph, or lifetime stats from 100-200NL?

i havent posted stats/ graphs from any limits other than the tiny sample of 10nl and 25nl i played during the early stages of making this thread (before the original idea kinda fell apart)....

i have 2 databases which i dont know how to combine... 1st graph/ stats is from about january until 17/7/09, 2nd graph is 17/7/09 until today... neither graph/ stats include any rakeback/ bonuses.




the 2nd graph is basically after i totally re-generated my game, learnt about game selection, learnt about tilt control etc, and just generally made a complete overhaul in terms of how i think about the game..



most of 2nd images stats is while 6-8 tabling too so pretty happy with results lol

I just demod and bought poker copilot for my mac and Im quite happy with it, I know it cant do all that pokertracker do but still worth the $60 bucks.

Jack I noticed your vpip and pfr are mostly above 24/20, what are your ranges 6max in positions? Ive been trying to loosen up my game and finding it more profitable. I was playing a problematic 17/9, I know terrible. Ive seemed to fix it and I am now running at 20/18 finding its really helped my game open raising more from all positions. Situational dependant of course.

To expand on this... a lot of players claim that it's much easier to play hyper aggressive(32/25) at 25NL-100NL than it is at 200NL+. This seems obvious as the higher you go, the thinner your skill advantage in each hand is.

I'm wondering if you think it's possible to play that aggressive at 10NL and some 25NL games where it seems like it's better to play tight preflop and value bet exclusively.

How would you go about playing like this? How do you adjust based on table conditions? Are we mainly 3betting a lot of hands in position or opening wider in earlier position and such?

im constantly re-adjusting my game so positional stats fluctuate and such, but since september 1st this is basically them across all stakes/ sites:



its hard to give specific ranges, as its completely table dependant. it shouldnt be hard to work out from the figures though.

i def have leaks in my pre flop game, its by no means the strongest part of my game tbh - i play far too many hands from the sb, and am also too loose in ep. im also way too tight from the co i think

dw about numbers... just because u play xx/yy doesnt make u better or worse than someone who plays aa/bb. its more about what hands u play in different situations than just making a blanket range for every spot.

players have a ton of leaks in their games at 25nl-100nl which makes playing more hands more profitable because u can exploit pre flop and post flop leaks (not 3betting enough, c/f-ing too many flops etc)

playing super loose is obv extremely exploitable unless ur sum sicko lag player, and as u move up people begin to exploit it very easily by 3betting/ 4betting more often.

i can play 35/32 with 15% 3bet or something at nl25 and nl50, but would get killed if i tried to play like that in a 400nl game.




u obv adjust based on table conditions... for the time being its probably best to play tight and maybe loosen up in some spots rather than play loose 1st and then try to tighten up.

do some ev calcs (fold equity etc) to figure things out for urself about 3betting and 4betting - thats what i did when i got to nl200, but wish i had done it sooner tbh

Jack, I have just started playing again after a 4 month break and am starting back up at 10NL. Would it be possible for me to upload a video and have you critique it for me?

Thanks.

i enjoy reading your posts. can you expand on this. perhaps, point me in the direction of some links too that cover calculating and analyzing this? thanks so much.

pm me.


ok, well i mean u can find examples of using the fold equity equation by searching on the forums. its pretty simple idea, so hopefully wont cause you too much trouble to understand. u can also use pokerstove to help plug in various scenario's.

if u have cardrunners account, theres a vid uploaded by brian townsend (sbrugby) a few weeks/ months ago about a thing called combinatorics. thats really good. theres probs some on stox poker too, i duno about deuces cracked.

dont try and do tooooo much maths or anything, its just good to see some of your ideas expressed purely in a formula so u can prove to yourself that you're thinking along the right lines.

Uploaded the vid here:

http://www.pokertrikz.com/videos/189-2/

Thanks!

@Jack

You're raising less in the SB than you are in the CO and you're 3betting more in the BB than you are in the SB why? You're getting odds to call with a wide(r) range in the BB than the SB and you're closing the action, and you're raising from the SB into 1 player in position instead of into 1 player in position and 2 players out of position. I'm not saying re-raising instead of calling more in the BB is a leak, but re-raising more in the BB than you are in the SB probably is. And while it's more or less Villain dependent, I think you're probably too aggro in the CO and not aggro enough in the SB -if the Button and Blinds are "napping" ok, but in the games I've played 30 something VPIPs get the piss 3bet out of them by three different players instead of just one player. Even at 2/4, BBs are weak-tight as **** and polarize their defense with folding or 3betting, so you can just collect BBs or 4bet them until they're bothered to call.

Edit: Not knocking you or anything, we just both play 2/4 and 3/6, and I'm curious as to why you think you're leaking one way and I think you're leaking the opposite way in the CO/SB positions.

I watched it and whilst im not a pro and very much still a 5NL player I will comment.

Your tables seemed fairly tight at one time, Id be stealing with a lot more hands from the button/cut off until someone starts to 3bet me.

Folding KQ suited from UTG is crazy for 6 max, maybe thats just me but im opening everytime with it. 109s from BB after a 40/20 raised UTG, I want to see a flop even if I am OOP.

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you say you game select a lot, how common would you say good/juicy tables are at 200nl and higher? do you think the games at the mid stakes will ever dry up so nobody but durrr-level players will be able to win at a decent rate?

well i 8-table when i play and im never sat at a table with 5 other regs - theres always at least 1 fish otherwise i leave.

also, a lot of the regs really suck - they just make money from rakeback basically. they beat the game for maybe 2 or 3 bb/100 and have a ton of leaks that u can exploit if u put in any time to work out what they are.

its not too hard to sustain a decent winrate, and tbh its more about sustaining a decent hourly since anyone who's a reg above 200nl is generally a pro/ about to go pro.

that is encouraging to hear, ty. i'm grinding it out at 50nl atm, hopefully I can be in your shoes someday .

I am guessing some common leaks that bad midstakes regs might have are cbetting too much, not barreling enough, and either being too stationy or too weak tight?

sorry, what do you mean by this? how is sustaining a decent hourly harder than a decent winrate? I thought they're the same thing

no cos u might be able to win at 8bb/100 when playing 3 tables, but win at 4bb/100 when playing 8 tables...

so your hourly is much more than your winrate in that situation, and thats what you're looking to maximise once u reach mid-stakes. shouldnt be a concern at lower stakes though as u should be primarily aiming to move up.



main leaks are not 3betting enough, cbetting too much, floating flops crazily light just to fold the turn, playing super straight forwardly all the time basically and never putting you in a tough spot cos they check/call all the time rather than raise or whatever

Jack. What's your fold to 3bet like? How do you adjust vs them?

- Do you tighten up and 4bet bluff/value more? Or do you call in position and balance your calling range with AK/AA?

Is it a leak to fold too often to 3bets if opponents aren't 3betting lite?

think my fold to 3bet averages out at about 70% or something....

vs someone who doesnt 3bet much theres not much u can do obviously as their 3betting range doesnt contain enough bluffs to 4bet light. so u can only play strong value hands really. since they arent 3betting much though, u make your money from them folding to the original raise too often.


balancing your range is something thats kind of over rated.... its an awesome idea in theory, but in practice its costing you money most of the time since everyone is exploitable in some way and balancing your range, by definition, doesnt exploit anything.

oh ok, gotcha.

all very very encouraging to hear somebody say the midstakes is very beatable, since i've heard a lot of talk about the games toughening up over the years. so ty for that