Yes, that's what I mean. It's not close to zero, and should not be if 3bet light/wide ranges aren't 0, which should also not be the case.

And no, at 25NL there aren't because players are bad.

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the two are directly linked. therefore is why when i 5bet shove AQ, its for value. im not going to be shoving every time, and im not a 3bet monkey, but i 3bet with enough consistency that people will make adjustments, and either 4bet me lighter for value, or 4bet bluff when me, when i 3bet in the button or the cut off.

lower than 25nl, i agree 100% though that people arent adjusting to 3bets particularly. but at 25nl, and 50nl, people are for sure

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I'm not sure, but if the utg had raised my flop raise then it feels like I'm behind here pretty often, unless he has 77-99 that he might raise with again, and I probably would have folded.

But had the BTN raised then I'm not so sure what hands he could be doing that with, top pair + flush draw, a flopped set, a bare flush draw maybe? I felt like if I bet-call or just bet all-in on the turn and he calls then I'm behind so often that it's not good so I decided to check, but looking at it now betting would have been much better than just checking there.

i bet your loving the fact this thread is mentioned in the poker player magazine

Wow! I'm glad I found this thread and thanks for doing this. It's great to read through the thought process of the more experienced players playing at a level I can relate to.

Did you find you were making more $$@10NL by targeting stacks or by winning more marginal situations?and

What about 25Nl as a comparison? Do players stack off as easy?

I'm about to start taking my shots @25Nl real soon(i hope) and rely on big showdown hands while $$ slowly trickles away without a monster flop/turn.... I'm comin around and almost winning 10NL after 50k Hands.. was -16BI after 35K hands and running real bad.

Now -2BI after some major gameplay adjustments and ignoring everything i did when buying deep (10$)at 5Nl that i crushed massively.

Just wondering how my game would carry over once i'm ready to take the leap since my 5nl strategy didn't do me much good for 10NL.


Thx.

Explain/link please?

Hiya mate - just got through 90% of this thread, but given up on the last few pages. Sad to say your video doesn't work on my laptop I get your comentary, which sounds good, but nothing else

Playing a little bit of 10NL, and this hand just came up. Should I be shoving the River, if I'm putting any more money in at all, so that I get value out of 99 or something?

And if he bets the Turn, are we shoving or calling, and then calling the River? I guess shoving prevents any tough decisions?


Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BB): $10.00
UTG: $10.00
MP: $7.42
CO: $6.89
BTN: $11.91
SB: $19.67

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with J Q
4 folds, SB raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1, SB requests TIME, SB calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.00) 2 Q 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.30, SB raises to $3, Hero calls $1.70

Turn: ($8.00) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($8.00) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $3.70, Hero calls $3.70

basically in this months poker player mag they mentioned this thread and also mentioned 'UK's own Jack Wilcox' they also gave a link to this thread describing it as good cash game strat.

are you using VLC to watch the vid?

I can't believe they raked $1 from that pot....

Not sure what VLC is - it opened as default in Nero and said I had to buy a codec. **** that.

And pluses and minuses regarding the Poker Player article. Nice for Jack to get some recognition, sucks that this thread is now going to be more widely known (than on a public internet forum)

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

download that video player and open the video in that.

seemples!

VLC is a media player that will play pretty much anything, its all I use anymore.

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

Ah it's a UK-based magazine and not US as i initially thought. So it's only in the magazine and not on their web page? But I agree, Jack's advice is great for small-stakes NLHE.

Ta guys

NL25 graph so far ??

Just great topic and keep doing it because really help new players when someone from higher stakes play and explain how they beat the micros

GJ

Hi Kackwilcox,

Been following this thread since the beginning and have watched all your videos.

Thank you for taking the time to do this. It has certainly opened up my eyes to some new concepts, I have been applying some of your 3B concepts as low as NL10 and was astonished to find that they work at the lower limits, you just have to pick the right spots.

I would like to make a request. Would you consider going back to NL10 and producing a video or two. I am interested to see what you would do differently at the lower limits.

Thanks heaps again, keep up the great work.

Chris

ok, I'm listening

cool thread. I'm going to have to follow this. nice work.

Your line don't look that strange when you bet the 9 on the turn, cause 6,7 would have made straight and it's a possible holding.

HI Jack! Just dropped by to say i enjoyed your video! I like your low variance/not pushing ever small edge style of play! Keep em coming, can´t wait for the next one!

lol tbh, i cant believe how much this thread took off. i was half expecting it to totally fail, and half expecting it to just be casually updated every week or so. if i had known it was going to be getting this many views, have this many pages, and be getting mentioned in magazines, id have put a lot more effort into it from the start!

1) i dont think you should have a set "strategy". it just doesnt make logical sense to do so since every opponent plays totally different and therefore you shouldnt have an independant way of playing.

2) you should worry more about trying to find good tables to sit at rather than a specific strategy. by good tables, i also mean good seats, so you have position on who you want. it might be more ego-boosting to beat regs, but realistically most of your money should be coming from fish. its maybe ignorant of me to assume, but i dont think it would be too hard to find 10nl tables that play weaker than some 5nl tables if you looked around the lobby/ joined a waiting list

dont post results because is obviously quite influencing - your opinion of this hand would be totally different if he showed u AQ when u called on the river.

also you didnt tell me anything about your opponent, so it kind of hard to analyse since this hand is obviously super opponent specific as his range changes greatly on every street depending on various stats.

i am intrigued why you think that 99 (or any 1 pair hand worse than QJ) would a) check-raise the flop, and b) bet the river, and c) call a shove on the river

Jack I would really like your take on the topic of ranges and decisions with the check/shove on the river line.

Coming from tournament play I'm not used to it because if somebody is there on the river I try to extract max value and if i have showdown value id check call or if it's air I never have FE for that move.

How do you handle that move in deep stack cash games? either for value or as a bluff?

Hi Jackwilcox,

I do apologise for the typo in your name in my post above, I didn't spot it at the time of posting. Meant no disrespect.

Chris