i hope that none of those fish turn out to be loose aggressive sharks.

i am going through the The Compleat Strategyst again and it looks like the same stuff that is in janda's book and miller's 1% (and others).

thanks for the good luck, us old fogies need to stick together

betting TPGK+ is value betting not c-betting

^^ A cbet (continuation bet) is a continuation of the pre flop action. If you are the preflop raiser and you bet the flop you are cbetting - it has nothing to do with your holding.

Think about how a hud calculates a cbet stat...most of the time the hud has no idea of villain's holding because most of the time there is no showdown. all the hud sees is the betting action and it calculates the cbet stat on the betting action only.

If I hold AK raise, get called and the flop comes Kxx, I bet first it's a cbet. Likewise, I raise 99, the flop comes K94 rainbow, I bet first, still a cbet. These are also value bets of course... the terms are not mutually exclusive.

Just wanted to add a question to this thread myself. I'm in a similar place as OP and just kind of getting back into things online (being from the US, that has been kind of difficult). Having a few hands under my belt at Zone now, is it worth purchasing LeakBuster for HM2? Given that I'm playing anonymously, is that still the ideal way of playing, or will it actually be a detriment to my game as no one will be able to get a read on my play?

yes, i would recommend it (leak buster). it will give you a lot of feedback on your game.

i play in the zone which is completely anonymous. if you play at a normal table, you (and others) can use software to gather stats for that session, but not over any extended period of time.

if you play on sites that are not anonymous, then people can gather stats on you over long periods of time by your username.

i like the zone because it is fast and i want to concentrate on correct play as opposed to exploitive play at this time.

thanks

I think GTO is the best approach to what you are trying to do, the reason someone asked you what your goal was is because zone is not the most +EV so if you are trying to grind it up you should really consider doing so with a HUD on normal slow tables. Holdem indicator is what I use and it requires no computer skills to learn, as mentioned before card catcher seems like buggy trash and it has some setup required if you do get it to work.

As far as exploitative play, you can try and generalize the entire field by positional stats and go from there but that is quite limited and often misread/misleading information you are basing your decisions on. I put in around 30k hands at zoom, the profit was very marginal. Switched to normal tables/HUD and win rate tripled now at just under 100k hands and moving from 5nl through 25nl. Exploit the fish, I know its boring but once you start putting exploitative play to use effectively it almost feels unfair. To clarify, not playing with a HUD in 2015 you are simply cheating yourself.

This isn't intended to cause you to switch game modes, just to make sure your playing the one that best fits your goals.

i am still at the mostly learning stage. grinding will come later. i have used pt4 on bcp and acr, so i know it is useful.

i use the ace converter, which works well, but does not seamlessly like using pt4.

would holdem indicator give me any useful information if i used i in the zone?

i don't want to learn any bad habits by playing exploitively now. i may address that later.

i am much more interested in correct play. having 4 betting rounds seems quit complicated for a old draw player who was only used to 2 betting rounds. it's like some sort of triple draw with community cards.

thanks

As a zone only player you wont benefit from anything other then Bovada Hand Converter/PT4/Holdem Manager.

Holdem Indicator is for regular tables only, same applies to their Card Catcher - so on the plus side, no more money to spend on software.

Good luck.

bummer, i was hoping that holdem indicator would be helpful. their ad says:

" ... Works with Bovada/Bodog anonymous tables and ZONE games, PokerStars ZOOM tables, Full Tilt Poker RUSH games. Supports more than 300 online poker sites.
Automatically attaches to the game table and reads your cards. Absolutely no input required during your online play, allowing you to fully concentrate on the game.
Instantly calculates accurate win poker odds, pot odds, outs, and table position. Shows EV and Sklansky Group ratings for your starting hands. Easy to use Head-Up Display (HUD). ... ".

thanks

Well, I guess I didn't specify enough, if you desire software that will tell you what your pot odds are and what the chances of making your hand is I think there are free programs that do this and there is no need to spend money on Indicator.

The only reason I advocate Holdem Indicator is it's the only HUD available on Bovada and I wish they would make improvements to it. As they have no competition and PT4/HEM doesn't support Bovada I don't see this happening. It would be so easy to increase the list of stats/add some more/add advanced color schemes. For the cost, this isn't asking for very much.

can you point me to any of these free programs. i can use all of the help i can get (pot odds, equity, etc).

$100 is a bit pricey, but i may sign up for another site for a $50 deposit. they say it will work on other sites if you give the first one enough action. can anyone recommend a site that has the zone type nhle (preferably 9-handed)?

you are correct in saying that they have a essential monopoly and have no incentive to improve their product.

i am an advocate of open source software, as it tends to produce better software than most commercial stuff in most cases. does anyone know of an open source hud for bovada?

thanks

As I understand how it works, Leakbuster averages the stats of winning players and compares you to that. I was assuming it only considered players you actually played against. I'm not entirely sure how it works to be honest. But from my cursory look at leakbuster for a while, I would decide to not pay for it, if I could now. But, I am likely not using it as best it could be used. Still, as I understand how it works, I don't think it is too useful once you get to a certain point.

Ok, actually .... some of this could be useful for you indirectly assuming that I am understanding the chart correctly.

For instance, your flop c-bet % (and the correlated stats) is extremely high.

yes, my cbet is way too high for him. it's hard for me to see and realize that a flob cbet might be bad on a some boards.

my sqeeze, 4 bet range, and bb reraise steal are way too low. i understand these, but am not sure when to do these things.

thanks