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Old 07-15-2012, 06:46 AM   #31
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Re: newbie getting cocky?

Poker Mindset is one of the best books on poker I've ever read (and I read a lot of poker books) and a massive +EV read. If you think you don't tilt, you probably don't know what tilt is. Read this book and it will put you straight.
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:41 AM   #32
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Re: newbie getting cocky?

i think tilt, down to the truest definition, would be letting your emotions decided how you play. From what i understand tilt to be is, keeping bad beats on your mind because it will psych you out. getting showed a bluff and then playing reckless the next hand. But the most common one of seen is someone loosing a lot of money on one hand and then straddle the next hand. Which could actually be a perfect cover if you get a good hand.
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Old 07-16-2012, 05:54 PM   #33
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Re: newbie getting cocky?

you never want to be to cocky, this tends to younger players.

you want to be humble and very down to earth. respect others, they'll respect you
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Old 07-16-2012, 07:59 PM   #34
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so i think going from 60 to 1500 in a couple sessions is pretty damn good on my part.
No, it's not good on your part. The fact you don't realize this means that the pic of the fish on a heater is precisely what it was.

Don't worry about that - everyone starts as a poor player. Some run hot, some don't, but regression toward the mean will generally occur at some point, and when it does, your chest will deflate quite quickly.

Also, everyone thinks they are a good player. If they didn't, there wouldn't be any games. I literally knew one person that, upon my recommendation (I play professionally), told me that, "No, I don't need to read that. I know how to play - I can read people. You use math to win; I use NLP..." etc. yet he's 100% clueless and doesn't realize it.

It's like I'm giving him a cookbook (personal advice combined with recommendations) on how to crush, yet some can't let go of their ego and stfu and learn. This dichotomy is what makes poker so great (i.e., profitable) though.
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:03 AM   #35
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well, since you put it in a way that is actually respectable i 100% agree with you! I am a newbie to the game, I do have some skill mixed with luck and timing. My best placing was in the daily dollar i placed 68 out of 10,000 and i busted with boat over boat. But that does not mean i should stop playing, the only way to truly learn is by playing someone that is better than you. Observing and remembering. It would be awesome if i could find a poker coach for live games, where someone writes down hands i am in then tells me how i could have played it better. (i just gave a way for some of you pros out there to make some side money or new business in general.) Just for a day, that would be cool. But like i said from the beginning i do not think im a poker god. i know i have a lot to learn and just love the game. Hopefully someday I will be able to show huge profit from playing a game a love, even if its just grinding out a mortgage or bills.
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:07 PM   #36
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About tilt, I'm a pretty mellow guy and dont tend to anger tilt (much, lol) but have found that when i win a couple of sngs in a row i will go on a "Winners tilt" where i think im invincible. For me this is the most dangerous of tilts because when on an anger tilt i will walk away but with winners tilt i dont want to leave the table even when i know that i am spewing all over the place and end up losing all my winnings.
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:23 PM   #37
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About tilt, I'm a pretty mellow guy and dont tend to anger tilt (much, lol) but have found that when i win a couple of sngs in a row i will go on a "Winners tilt" where i think im invincible. For me this is the most dangerous of tilts because when on an anger tilt i will walk away but with winners tilt i dont want to leave the table even when i know that i am spewing all over the place and end up losing all my winnings.
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That's not winner's tilt - that's a gambling problem. Seriously.

Doesn't mean you can't fix it before it becomes a crippling problem, though, but the next step is to understand the exact psychological component that compels you to keep "rolling up a stake" when you're running good.
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:45 PM   #38
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That's not winner's tilt - that's a gambling problem. Seriously.

Doesn't mean you can't fix it before it becomes a crippling problem, though, but the next step is to understand the exact psychological component that compels you to keep "rolling up a stake" when you're running good.
thing is im not really a gambler, more of a gamer who has recently converted to poker, grew up playing any and all strat games i could get a hold of (chess, backgammon, connect four, risk, Magic TG, Madden, monopoly, tic tac toe, hell any thing). My first issue when switching to poker was playing scared with money (as opposed to playing with scared money). So i honestly dont think it's a gambling problem. Personally i dont understand why folks would play slot machines and what not, it's just not me. What i was trying to express was that after going on a heater (in any game) i will sometimes loosen up my game till i am no longer playing "my game". I have learned that i have to consciously recognize that i am playing off my optimal game before i can return to playing my optimal game. your issues sounded similar, so i thought i might offer the possability that you were in deed tilting, but not tilting as you have come to know it (anger, frustration tilt).
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Old 07-18-2012, 05:12 PM   #39
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thing is im not really a gambler, more of a gamer who has recently converted to poker, grew up playing any and all strat games i could get a hold of (chess, backgammon, connect four, risk, Magic TG, Madden, monopoly, tic tac toe, hell any thing). My first issue when switching to poker was playing scared with money (as opposed to playing with scared money). So i honestly dont think it's a gambling problem. Personally i dont understand why folks would play slot machines and what not, it's just not me. What i was trying to express was that after going on a heater (in any game) i will sometimes loosen up my game till i am no longer playing "my game". I have learned that i have to consciously recognize that i am playing off my optimal game before i can return to playing my optimal game. your issues sounded similar, so i thought i might offer the possability that you were in deed tilting, but not tilting as you have come to know it (anger, frustration tilt).

To clarify, I'm not suggesting you have this huge ass gambling problem and are going to sell your mom into prostitution for a stake, but let's just say you have some bad tendencies and exercise poor judgement, which, at this point, brings you to a fork in the road: get control over it, or continue down a path of leaving money on the table.
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Old 07-18-2012, 05:51 PM   #40
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hence:" I have learned that i have to consciously recognize that i am playing off my optimal game before i can return to playing my optimal game."

not to be a jerk, as i appreciate your concern, but do you not see how: "let's just say you have some bad tendencies and exercise poor judgement, which, at this point, brings you to a fork in the road: get control over it, or continue down a path of leaving money on the table. " may apply to your situation as well? i was only suggesting that mayhaps you have not recognized that tilt can take many different forms, not just anger. gl

Edit: just realized that you are not the op, sorry. lol

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