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Old 04-25-2017, 03:49 PM   #1
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NEW POKER VARIANT: The most skill-based card game... What do you think of it?

This is THE MOST SKILL-BASED CARD GAME EVER.
Here is video for better understanding of the new poker variant...


Here are the rules explained:

Nil Poker has almost the same rules as poker (52-card deck). The only difference between playing poker (52-card deck) and Nil Poker is that there are 13 Nil Cards added to common deck of playing cards (52 cards) in Nil Poker (all together there is 65 cards). Nil Cards are meaningless cards. All 13 Nil Cards look the same. Nil Cards have no value. Nil Cards can not make any valuable card combination. Every card is better than Nil Card (2 high is more valuable than Nil Card). All the other rules (blinds, dealer, betting rounds,…) are the same as in poker (52-card deck).

Please share your thoughts, opinions,... about this NEW POKER VARIANT. Thank you.
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Old 04-25-2017, 04:10 PM   #2
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Re: NEW POKER VARIANT: The most skill-based card game... What do you think of it?

I see nil justification for claiming this is the most skills based variant. Also, it sounds like a snooze.
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Old 04-25-2017, 05:32 PM   #3
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Re: NEW POKER VARIANT: The most skill-based card game... What do you think of it?

There are many card games that are more based on skill than this. Why would you even make such a claim without at least some evidence? The only thing that the video shows is that if you happen to get all-in with the best hand, your opponent is less likely to suck out on you because there are 13 more non-outs than otherwise. That is undoubtedly true.

It is also true that the vast majority of preflop hands will be unplayable, because they will either be normal garbage, or worse than normal garbage (containing a nil card). There will even be hands where nobody can even make a 5 card hand (what if the board is all nil - I assume you just give it to the best 2 card hand). I'm not saying this wouldn't be fun to play, and not saying it doesn't take more skill than poker with a 52 card deck - just saying that there is nothing inherent in the description that makes me think either of these things is true.
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Old 04-25-2017, 05:37 PM   #4
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Re: NEW POKER VARIANT: The most skill-based card game... What do you think of it?

I would hate to play any kind of poker game where optimal play included even more folding than No Limit Hold'em.
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Old 04-25-2017, 05:40 PM   #5
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Re: NEW POKER VARIANT: The most skill-based card game... What do you think of it?

How is this skill based?
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Old 04-25-2017, 05:56 PM   #6
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Re: NEW POKER VARIANT: The most skill-based card game... What do you think of it?

A game like this would have to have to automatic straddle, or ante - other wise it's going to be really really boring.
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Old 04-25-2017, 06:25 PM   #7
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Re: NEW POKER VARIANT: The most skill-based card game... What do you think of it?

Name accurately describes number of people who will want to play it.
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Old 04-25-2017, 07:59 PM   #8
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Re: NEW POKER VARIANT: The most skill-based card game... What do you think of it?

So with less cards on average making less combinations, how is making the game less complex adding more skill? I mean if you keep adding those blanks eventually you get to the point where it is basically high-carding, what a skill game.
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Old 04-25-2017, 08:11 PM   #9
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Re: NEW POKER VARIANT: The most skill-based card game... What do you think of it?

Why do people keep wanting to take the luck out poker? Why do they believe that only pre-flop play should matter? Without luck involved it would be much easier for bad players to figure out they are bad. Who wants that?
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Old 04-25-2017, 08:13 PM   #10
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Why do people keep wanting to take the luck out poker? Why do they believe that only pre-flop play should matter? Without luck involved it would be much easier for bad players to figure out they are bad. Who wants that?
Religious people so it wouldn't be called gambling.....
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Old 04-26-2017, 05:39 AM   #11
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Re: NEW POKER VARIANT: The most skill-based card game... What do you think of it?

Hey I have an idea for a more FUN and SKILL-BASED form of poker. What if instead of 13 Nil cards, we just replaced the whole deck with nil cards? There would be NO VARIANCE and it would be the MOST SKILL-BASED card game ever invented.

This legitimately sounds boring as ****.
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Old 04-26-2017, 10:07 AM   #12
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Re: NEW POKER VARIANT: The most skill-based card game... What do you think of it?

Trying to take the luck out of poker is a terrible idea. There's a reason that very few people try to make money playing chess.

Aside from that, the claim in the thread title is obviously false. Try playing Duplicate Bridge against good players. You have zero chance to win it by luck. Not just small, but zero.
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Old 04-26-2017, 10:40 AM   #13
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Great, now I have to dodge an extra 13 nil cards to hit my 2 outer on the river...
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Old 04-26-2017, 01:53 PM   #14
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Re: NEW POKER VARIANT: The most skill-based card game... What do you think of it?

It's a brick! It's a brick! This whole game is a brick!
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Old 04-26-2017, 03:25 PM   #15
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Re: NEW POKER VARIANT: The most skill-based card game... What do you think of it?

beginning players (and Phil Hellmuth) tend to think that playing tight preflop is the essence of skill in poker, this thread seems like an example of that thinking
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Old 04-27-2017, 02:58 PM   #16
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Re: NEW POKER VARIANT: The most skill-based card game... What do you think of it?

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I see nil justification for claiming this is the most skills based variant. Also, it sounds like a snooze.
Hello WereBeer. Thank you for your feedback.
Nil Poker is the most skill-based card game there is (that one person can play by itself against others). Also, it is not hard to play and a lot of people knows how to play the game. Actually the rare game that meats all things mentioned above is poker(52-card deck). So i have to prove now that nil poker is more skill-based than poker(52-card game).You can play nil hold´em, nil omaha,… All those variants played with Nil Poker Playing Cards are more skill-based that classic poker variants. The easiest way to prove this(there is many ways to to this). Lets take one of the easiest poker variants to understand, i am talking about texas hold´em over nil holdem… Two persons are playing poker. Person A goes all-in every hand preflop. Person B is making selection of hands that will call with person A´allin(this hole hands are for example: every pair and 2 cards over 10). The amount of chips that person B will have over 1000 hands played in nil hold´em is bigger than the amount of chips person B will have while playing texas hold´em. This is just example of preflop options. The same thing is true for all the flops, turns, andr rivers (with a modification what is good hand for person B). The same goes for other variants: Nil Omaha,…
While adding raise, bluff and fold option to any game you get some kind of skill-based card game. All these options become even more valuable(more skills required) because of bigger chances of winning with the best hand at Nil Poker against poker(52-card deck),…
The main reason people forget is that only every fifth card will be nil card(only 20 percent of possibility to get nil card) on average.
I can not agree that this game will be boring.. Here are just couple of examples why:
- You can allways bluff, over-play oponnent,... if you are good. I think this means more bluffing and more hero-calling in general at nil poker,.. Also, everybody like to brag about bluffing and hero-calling in general - more of this at nil poker.
- if you add nil cards to poker deck… Slighty less percent for hitting good hands( i mean really slighty percent), this means that hands that are not so good in poker(52-card deck) will gain some strenght in nil poker(for example second pair on board(this is just example, so you can imagine better what i mean). If nil cards are added that does not necesarally means that you would play less hands(some cards will have more value in nil poker than they have in poker(52-card deck)).
I make a lot of calculations about everything while fouding this game – nil poker. And it really all adds up so perfectly. Perfect game in my opinion.
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Old 04-27-2017, 03:04 PM   #17
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Re: NEW POKER VARIANT: The most skill-based card game... What do you think of it?

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There are many card games that are more based on skill than this. Why would you even make such a claim without at least some evidence? The only thing that the video shows is that if you happen to get all-in with the best hand, your opponent is less likely to suck out on you because there are 13 more non-outs than otherwise. That is undoubtedly true.

It is also true that the vast majority of preflop hands will be unplayable, because they will either be normal garbage, or worse than normal garbage (containing a nil card). There will even be hands where nobody can even make a 5 card hand (what if the board is all nil - I assume you just give it to the best 2 card hand). I'm not saying this wouldn't be fun to play, and not saying it doesn't take more skill than poker with a 52 card deck - just saying that there is nothing inherent in the description that makes me think either of these things is true.
Hello VBAces. Thank you for your feedback.
Please look the post above for answers to your question. Also, about »normal garbage« hands… if you add nil cards to poker deck… Slighty less percent for hitting good hands( i mean really slighty percent), this means that hands that are not so good in poker(52-card deck) will gain some strenght in nil poker(for example second pair on board(this is just example, so you can imagine better what i mean). Same goes for holecards,… If nil cards are added that does not necesarally means that you would play less hands(some cards will have more value in nil poker than they have in poker(52-card deck).
Also, you are correct about the rules when community cards are all the nil cards.
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I would hate to play any kind of poker game where optimal play included even more folding than No Limit Hold'em.
Hello, madlex. Thank you for your feedback. I understand what are you trying to say. But i do not think it is true that you would have to fold more hands(at least not a lot more; if any). Anyway you can allways play Nil Omaha or some different poker variant. For more info about this please look at my posts above.
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Old 04-27-2017, 03:09 PM   #19
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How is this skill based?
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Please look at the posts above for your answer.
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Old 04-27-2017, 03:10 PM   #20
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A game like this would have to have to automatic straddle, or ante - other wise it's going to be really really boring.
Hello, djevans. Interesting thinking. Also, there is allways possibility to play Hyper turbo games. But as mentioned in previous posts i do not think it will be boring.
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So with less cards on average making less combinations, how is making the game less complex adding more skill? I mean if you keep adding those blanks eventually you get to the point where it is basically high-carding, what a skill game.
Hello, Kelvis. Your answer is written in posts above. There is a reasons I added 13 nil cards to poker deck. The game has allmost same poker thrill and it changes the outcomes of winning hands in the right way for a little. I did a lot of calculations when founded Nil Poker and it all adds up perfectly.
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Why do people keep wanting to take the luck out poker? Why do they believe that only pre-flop play should matter? Without luck involved it would be much easier for bad players to figure out they are bad. Who wants that?
Hello, Didace. Thank you for your feedback. I believe with adding nil cards it makes it a perfect variant of poker. There is only from 5 to 10 percent change of winning the hand(depends on the hands), but this makes a huge difference if you play a lot of hands. I believe ordinary poker has too big or variance vs skills. This is a lot better at nil poker. Also, less experienced players will still win(slighty less). Also, all break-even players(also slighty losing players) will became winning players in the long run. Also, please look at the posts above...
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Old 04-27-2017, 03:15 PM   #23
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Your claim is that this is "THE MOST SKILL-BASED CARD GAME", not "well slightly more skill than the equivalent game without blanks.
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Old 04-27-2017, 03:16 PM   #24
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Trying to take the luck out of poker is a terrible idea. There's a reason that very few people try to make money playing chess.

Aside from that, the claim in the thread title is obviously false. Try playing Duplicate Bridge against good players. You have zero chance to win it by luck. Not just small, but zero.
Hello, NewOldGuy. Thank you for your feedback.
Please look answer to your question in the above posts. Nil Poker is the most skill-based card game there is (that one person can play by itself against others). Also, it is not hard to play and a lot of people knows how to play the game. The game you mentioned does not meets the above mentioned requirements. Actually the rare game that meats all things mentioned above is poker(52-card deck). Also, Added Nil Cards only change the outcome of winning cards from 5 to 10 percent (depends on the cards and hands). This percentage may sounds low (same poker thrill for players), but it makes a huge difference if you play a lot of hands. For example this 5 to 10 percent advantage make break-even players (or even slighty losing) winning players in long run. The less experienced players or gamblers(I do not like the words fishes) will win a little less now. So this is not coming even close to a chess. Still variance involved. But slighty less. In my opinion exactly the right amount of variance less.
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beginning players (and Phil Hellmuth) tend to think that playing tight preflop is the essence of skill in poker, this thread seems like an example of that thinking
Hello, Tutejszy.
You can find answer to your post in the above posts.
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