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03-27-2008, 08:31 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Apr 2007
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Re: Need Help? Ask me
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Originally Posted by guy_ronl
Hey WCGRider,
I'm a real newbie to poker.
I actually just learned the rulles for my first poker game about 2 weeks ago.
It was Texas hold'em poker and I've learned it from a site called
www.learnpoker21.com
The only problem is, that site only teaches Texas Hold'em poker and I would really like to learn a few other poker games.
Do you know a good site to learn other poker games, ithout drawning in too much information.
Thanks for the help...
Cheers,
Guy
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I heard about this one site, i think it was some mathematical equation. Word on the street is they have lots of poker game info on it. I just wish i could remember its name.
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03-27-2008, 08:33 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Need Help? Ask me
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Originally Posted by rongwrong
Hats off to you WGCRider for taking the time to offer the benefit of your experience.
My question is about how to go about analysing hands in my hand history.
When I'm playing, I'll know after a certain hand that for whatever reason it's one I'm going to want to take go over and take a look at later. But I haven't really been too good at doing that so far. Those hands that stood out at the time are now buried in my hand history. And so now, after thousands of hands I'm wondering where to start looking for leaks.
Should I just pull out a random sample? Or should I focus on particular things like my biggest losing hands, hands when I got busted, certain cards or whatever?
Any advice on a good method for going through my hand history and making sense of it all would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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There was a great thread in SSNL by someone on analyzing your pokertracker stats. Go search for that.
Anyway what i try to look at besides biggest losing (or winning pots mind you) is sorting the group to have only say Suited Connectors. See How you are doing with those, then change it to pairs. Rinse and repeat. Check specific hands when you lost a bunch of money that you probably shouldnt have.
~Doug
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03-27-2008, 11:23 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Re: Need Help? Ask me
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Originally Posted by WCGRider
Ok basically you are confusing a couple concepts that i want to make clear.
1) If you 3 bet people a ****ton they WILL fight back at you, so you need to pick spots.
2) Hands Like KJ/QJ/AT/etc play TERRIBLE in 3 bet pots because if you flop either of your cards you could be dominated. When you 3 bet 89ss you will never hit a flop decent that your opponent got a good chunk of (or very rarely anyway.) That is the power of sc.
I dont know what a bring in is, but their initial raise is going to be whatever % of the hands they raise is.
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well, they play terrible against a standard EP opener but against a lite opener in late position, the spot your looking for, AT is dominating and not dominated so there isnt a one size fits all rule i would guess.
when you 3 bet a lite opener i would guess your range is something like, aj+, kq, 99+ and 67ss-jqss? w/ this range wouldnt the late opener always be right just to move you in if he has 100bb or less?
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03-28-2008, 01:12 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jan 2008
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Re: Need Help? Ask me
Hey thanks for taking a turn in the well.
My question is, why am I better at .02/.05 than I am at .01/.02? Over 7,134 hands (I know it's a small sample) I'm up overall, but not by much. Basically breaking even at this point. My style is pretty similar at both limits:
At 5NL, I'm 22/7.5/2.5. (5172 hands)
At 10NL I'm 18/6/1.5. (1962 hands)
Here's the thing: at .01/.02 my winrate is a dismal -22.22bb/100, and at .02/.05, it's +29.61bb/100.
These seem like pretty straightforward TAG stats... I wouldn't think the 4% VPIP difference should account for such a difference. These are full ring games.
I'm up overall, but not by much. Basically breaking even at this point.
So... wtf? Any ideas?
Last edited by Merum; 03-28-2008 at 01:17 AM.
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03-29-2008, 12:07 AM
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centurion
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Re: Need Help? Ask me
I don't know if you can help me with the info I am providing but here goes. I am new to PokerTracker, have been playing NL for a few months, and play mostly SNG at the $1-5 levels. My numbers are 33.2/14.29/1.31 for 2,855 hands. Besides needing to be more aggressive, what more can you tell me about what I need to be doing better? Also, what other stats should I be focusing on?
Thanks so much. This is a great thread!!
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03-29-2008, 05:24 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Need Help? Ask me
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Originally Posted by limon
well, they play terrible against a standard EP opener but against a lite opener in late position, the spot your looking for, AT is dominating and not dominated so there isnt a one size fits all rule i would guess.
when you 3 bet a lite opener i would guess your range is something like, aj+, kq, 99+ and 67ss-jqss? w/ this range wouldnt the late opener always be right just to move you in if he has 100bb or less?
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AT is never going to be dominating, point blank. The hands they open like 78s and 66, AT doesnt dominate. And they WILL be opening AJ-AK, JJ, and AA, so those handsa re still in there range. You arent looking at this correctly, DO NOT 3 bet (or call USUALLY) with a hand like AJ/AT, it is just bad in almost all situations.
Uh no he would not be and your going adjust if he 100 bb shoved facing a 13 bb reraise.
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03-29-2008, 05:26 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Apr 2007
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Re: Need Help? Ask me
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Originally Posted by Merum
Hey thanks for taking a turn in the well.
My question is, why am I better at .02/.05 than I am at .01/.02? Over 7,134 hands (I know it's a small sample) I'm up overall, but not by much. Basically breaking even at this point. My style is pretty similar at both limits:
At 5NL, I'm 22/7.5/2.5. (5172 hands)
At 10NL I'm 18/6/1.5. (1962 hands)
Here's the thing: at .01/.02 my winrate is a dismal -22.22bb/100, and at .02/.05, it's +29.61bb/100.
These seem like pretty straightforward TAG stats... I wouldn't think the 4% VPIP difference should account for such a difference. These are full ring games.
I'm up overall, but not by much. Basically breaking even at this point.
So... wtf? Any ideas?
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You have so few hands you actually cant even begin to establish any information from them.
And also not to be a douche but those stats are COMPLETELY Not tag. Tag is 15/13, tag is 18/16 for six max. Tag is not a 12-15% difference between Vpip and PFR lol. if it is > then 4 you probably arent tag. STOP LIMPING THAT GARBAGE.
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03-29-2008, 05:27 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Apr 2007
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Re: Need Help? Ask me
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Originally Posted by dslawton
I don't know if you can help me with the info I am providing but here goes. I am new to PokerTracker, have been playing NL for a few months, and play mostly SNG at the $1-5 levels. My numbers are 33.2/14.29/1.31 for 2,855 hands. Besides needing to be more aggressive, what more can you tell me about what I need to be doing better? Also, what other stats should I be focusing on?
Thanks so much. This is a great thread!!
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You are too passive, and you limp too much. STOP CALLING PREFLOP. 3 BET or FOLD. OPEN RAISE HANDS.
You really really really really need to stop playing trash.
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03-29-2008, 07:12 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Re: Need Help? Ask me
Hey, you mention pick a game and stick to it, should I stick to sng games because I.m good at it or should I move to cash games instead and learn it
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03-29-2008, 07:34 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Need Help? Ask me
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Originally Posted by goot
Hey, you mention pick a game and stick to it, should I stick to sng games because I.m good at it or should I move to cash games instead and learn it
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Cash games and learn it from the ground up. Through the forums. Post all your hands. Learn.
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03-29-2008, 09:01 AM
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adept
Join Date: May 2006
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Re: Need Help? Ask me
Hey WCGRider.
I went from FR limit to FR NL and 6max NL, yet i cant climb out of micro stakes. In FR NL i was winning player but got bored of nitnness so went to 6 max. In my database since dec i won like 100bi for nl25 (6ptbb), yet when moving to nl50 i played 40k breakeven. Since winning at nl25 doesnt do it for me, should i go back to FR? Is FR nl50, nl100 easier than its 6max counterpart?
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03-29-2008, 11:38 AM
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Temporary Insanity
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Re: Need Help? Ask me
I realize that table selection is important in doing well at cash games. And that if you are a regular at a level, you'll have your fish list and your hud stats to tell you where to sit. However, what do you suggest doing when you are moving up levels and you have no stats on those at your new level?
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03-29-2008, 01:21 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Re: Need Help? Ask me
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Originally Posted by WCGRider
AT is never going to be dominating, point blank. The hands they open like 78s and 66, AT doesnt dominate. And they WILL be opening AJ-AK, JJ, and AA, so those handsa re still in there range. You arent looking at this correctly, DO NOT 3 bet (or call USUALLY) with a hand like AJ/AT, it is just bad in almost all situations.
Uh no he would not be and your going adjust if he 100 bb shoved facing a 13 bb reraise.
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thanks for the discussion...so people in your games dont open suited aces and suited KT,QT,JT and 9T from late pos.?
so what your actually saying is the player WOULD be right to move over over you based on the hand range you 3 bet w/ and the range you would actually call the shove w/ but you would adjust quickly due to size of the shove correct?
what would that adjustment be? not 3 betting this guy lite anymore? isnt that good for him as well?
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03-29-2008, 01:35 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Feb 2006
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Re: Need Help? Ask me
: popcorngif :
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03-29-2008, 02:19 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: SomeSmallTown
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Re: Need Help? Ask me
Thanks for doing this. I'm just rolled for NL5 and about to move to NL10. My stats are 16/10/2.5. I'm under on what my PF raise should be and working to tighten it up. I have a good understanding of the basics, and I'm currently working on things like 3-betting light, finding the right spots to valuebet, and generally how to maximize value with all my hands. My questions are:
1) While I'm still trying to learn these things, should I be focusing on playing only a couple tables at once to better think through these spots until I get to a spot where I feel like I completely understand it, or should I be actively multi-tabling in order to build my roll, forgoing some of that focus and adhering to a more basic game just to quickly reach NL25 and NL50. I would probably still be improving, but not at the same rate as focusing on only a couple tables. It just feels like a tradeoff to me since
2 Tabling - make the most out of indivual hands, focus on outplaying players more easily and better internalize what's learned, but there's no real money, building BR is a huge, slow grind, and it doesn't really motivate
Multi-tabling - bankroll grows very quickly, it's much easier to be motivated to sit down for a session because of more action, but I'm giving up spots that could be better played, I'm less likely and slower to internalize what's learned.
I'm not sure which is better at the learning stage since both have good points, and currently I have sessions where I only 2-table while other sessions I'll 10-table with a fairly robotic strategy. So which way was better for you to learn and move up to making real money playing?
Thanks WCG!
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