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Made a mistake, didn't look at opponents stack size Made a mistake, didn't look at opponents stack size

11-28-2016 , 07:35 PM
And ended up making a turn bet to put villain all in when I thought I was making a standard turn 1/2 pot cbet which I hope would have been the right move had he had a full stack PF (2nd pair top kicker and drawing to the nut flush?) However looking back now I'm not exactly sure what the actual right move would have been? I check and lose control of the pot he could shove and I'm not calling, or he checks and gets a free card and I have very little information on his hand on the river(he's like 58/38)





    Pacific, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37528374

    MP3: $8.23 (164.6 bb)
    CO: $3.12 (62.4 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $5.14 (102.8 bb)
    SB: $2 (40 bb)
    BB: $5.30 (106 bb)
    UTG+1: $2.05 (41 bb)
    UTG+2: $2.59 (51.8 bb)
    MP1: $2.68 (53.6 bb)
    MP2: $1.06 (21.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with J A :: ::
    UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.10, MP1 calls $0.10, 2 folds, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.35, MP1 calls $0.35, CO folds

    Flop: ($1.52) 9 K J (3 players)
    Hero bets $0.76, UTG+2 calls $0.76, MP1 folds

    Turn: ($3.04) 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $2.28, UTG+2 calls $1.38 and is all-in

    River: ($5.80) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $5.80 pot ($0.34 rake)
    Final Board: 9 K J 4 3
    Hero showed J A :: :: and won $0.00 (-$2.59 net)
    UTG+2 showed 9 9 :: :: and won $5.46 ($2.87 net)



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    Anyway will obviously be way more vigilant checking such things in future, especially as it's usually fishy players who have weird stack sizes
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    11-28-2016 , 08:01 PM
    Don't post results - not even in spoilers. It can skew the advice you get.

    Is your HH accurate? How are you leading the action on the flop if you were on the button?
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    11-28-2016 , 08:22 PM
    Ah ok I assumed spolier tags would be ok, doesn't look like there's an edit post option?

    Hmmm weird that it's not showing the checks, not too sure tbh this is the first time I've posted a HH
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    11-28-2016 , 08:45 PM
    I'm interested to see the responses you get.

    I like the 3-bet pre - AJs is an easy hand to fold to a 4-bet, and if everyone just flats you you have the option to take a 4-card flop.

    I like the flop c-bet for the simple reason that there are a lot of worse hands that are going to call you. Honestly I'd have probably bet more than that to charge draws - I'd probably have bet 90% of the pot there.

    That 4 on the turn changes absolutely nothing. If you were ahead on the flop you're still ahead, and if you're behind you have a draw to the nuts and 3 outs to 2 pair. I would have done exactly what you did. What were you considering, betting something like 70 cents so the villain wouldn't be all in? Give him a chance to make a mistake. Charge him to draw.
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    11-28-2016 , 09:01 PM
    I like the pre flop 3-bet, great hand to squeeze with as you get a ton of playability post flop if you do't get the folds pre. Not sure I'm betting this flop, I'm happy to check behind and take the free card with a draw to the nuts as well as a hand that may be ahead anyway. As played I'm GII for the half pot bet to get value from a heap of draws that are out there. Even if I checked behind I'm snapping off that brick river as a bluff catcher. Folding on this turn or river doesn't come into it. If anything it's the flop that's the interesting decision point, going to have a play around with ranges on this one tonight.
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    11-28-2016 , 09:14 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by denks
    If anything it's the flop that's the interesting decision point, going to have a play around with ranges on this one tonight.
    I would do this myself if I didn't have to work late - please let me know what you come up with!
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    11-29-2016 , 12:31 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DalTXColtsFan
    I would have done exactly what you did. What were you considering, betting something like 70 cents so the villain wouldn't be all in? Give him a chance to make a mistake. Charge him to draw.
    Not too sure, I realised I hadn't checked stack sizes before the making the bet so marked the hand for review so I didn't get distracted thinking about it whilst still at the tables. Felt a bit 'pokered out' after the days play so thought I would chuck it on here to see what people thought. I just kind of figured villain would only call off the rest of their chips with a decent made hand that I don't know how my hand would hold up against. If there was another street of betting to go then obviously I get a chance to get a lot more information
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    11-29-2016 , 12:38 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Festerban
    Not too sure, I realised I hadn't checked stack sizes before the making the bet so marked the hand for review so I didn't get distracted thinking about it whilst still at the tables. Felt a bit 'pokered out' after the days play so thought I would chuck it on here to see what people thought. I just kind of figured villain would only call off the rest of their chips with a decent made hand that I don't know how my hand would hold up against. If there was another street of betting to go then obviously I get a chance to get a lot more information
    What information would you get with another street? What hands do you put vil on?
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    11-29-2016 , 12:38 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DalTXColtsFan
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    I like the flop c-bet for the simple reason that there are a lot of worse hands that are going to call you. Honestly I'd have probably bet more than that to charge draws - I'd probably have bet 90% of the pot there.
    Ah yes this is what distracted me in the 1st place. was trying to work out best bet sizing for exactly this reason, I forgot it wasn't even a 1/2 pot as I went with a 75% pot bet instead
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    11-29-2016 , 06:39 PM
    I check back the flop. I'm not sure what you're value-targeting by betting and barreling.
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    11-29-2016 , 07:51 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
    I check back the flop. I'm not sure what you're value-targeting by betting and barreling.
    A big problem with betting the flop is that it commits us to the hand however if we get further action we are most probably behind unless we improve. Also since both vils are short on the flop, betting runs the risk of a check-raise from either of them which we then have to call though if they check-raise we are likely behind. After playing with the ranges I'm well on board with the check back flop and play our position, stacks are short enough that we get it in if we hit anyway. I'm not seeing much that's going to give us action that we beat.
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    11-29-2016 , 08:04 PM
    i like a flop bet
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    11-29-2016 , 08:57 PM
    welcome to the nfl rookie
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    11-30-2016 , 07:38 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
    i like a flop bet
    Why? You're not getting called by many hands you beat, and you have significant blockers to villain's potential bluffs. You're only way ahead of his folding range. You don't want him to fold if you're way ahead.
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