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10-01-2015 , 03:48 PM
OP, you can rarely fold bottom set for 100bb OTF. In fact, you can very successfully beat 2NL with a rule that you will never fold bottom set OTF.

This was a bad fold BTW and not just because of the results.

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Originally Posted by edholden
If you ever feel like you are behind in a hand, just fold. I do not care what hand you have..just get out.
The chips that loose by following the advice quoted above, could be used to win more later when you KNOW you have the best hand.
Yeah, this is just awful advice.

I've lost track of how many times I've called because the situation required a call, despite my feelings telling me I was beaten, only to find out that I wasn't beaten at all.

Emotions are worthless in poker. Correct decisions are everything.
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10-01-2015 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tiltninja
I don't think the propensity to fold sets is a positive trait at all
I don't think I said that. But thinking about relative hand strength instead of absolute hand strength is.
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10-02-2015 , 02:13 AM
eh, if i could pick a student gimme a guy who makes bad calls with sets than a guy who makes bad folds any day. if a beginner makes a bad call with a set I think "tough break hard to fold there". if a beginner makes a bad fold with a set I think "he's not gonna make it"

folding sets = not a very useful skill to have
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10-05-2015 , 09:23 AM
Hope its ok that I keep adding to this thread.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 104.5 BB (VPIP: 12.00, PFR: 4.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 55)
BTN: 44.5 BB (VPIP: 21.15, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 54)
Hero (SB): 66 BB
BB: 95 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 42)
UTG: 126.5 BB (VPIP: 21.21, PFR: 19.19, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 104)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 7

fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) Q J 8
Hero bets 3.5 BB, BTN calls 3.5 BB

Turn: (14 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero bets 6.5 BB, BTN calls 6.5 BB

River: (27 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 11 BB, fold

Hero wins 26 BB

Any advice to what I should have done in this situation? I felt my only option was to keep betting at it and fold to a raise but I kept the raises around 1/2 pot as I wasn't confident, if I was the BTN I would have raised with anything looking at the weakness of my bets?
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10-05-2015 , 09:42 AM
check/fold ainec
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10-05-2015 , 10:39 AM
I would never donk on that flop. Unless of course I had seen BTN play this way beforehand. AK/AT get there on the river. I don't see how 99/TT would take that line. I guess he had a smaller pocket pair that he was setmining??

If I was donking though, I'd do it small like that. Makes it seem like you have a much better hand than 77.

(I think that's what I liked least about the previous hand above - when you donk/fold, no one will give your donk bets any credit in the future. Since you're apparently not just donking when you flop a set, worst case when you call is you advertise that you're doing it with nothing worse than a set. On the other hand, this doesn't seem to matter here when your donk bets are apparently value bets...)
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10-05-2015 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by delnaja80
Any advice to what I should have done in this situation?
For me, it's an obvious check-fold. Why are you donking? Is it a value bet, a bluff, or a bet for protection, and how do you expect villain to react to it? What is your plan for the hand? If you're trying to make villain fold, what hands are you trying to get him off when he calls on the flop?

That board is so well connected that I would not expect villain to fold very often. The turn makes it even less likely. I can't really think of any hand that makes for a good donk bet on that flop, as everything that comes to mind works just as well as a check call or check-raise. 88 is about the only hand in your range that might take this line, although I suppose you might have QJs sometimes. (Personally, I 3-bet both of those in this pre-flop spot, and don't have a calling range at all).
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10-05-2015 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by delnaja80
Any advice to what I should have done in this situation?
x/f flop; as played, x/f turn; as played x/f river.
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