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01-16-2015 , 04:06 AM
Thanks for the replies guys. Some of this is probably too advanced for me but I'm going to do some equity calculations later to see what hands I should use. I'm trying to follow the rule of 3/4bet for value > flat > 3/4 bet bluff > fold but it's hard for me to know what hands to use in the heat of battle. Was seated at 50nl yesterday because I had position on a whale 300bb deep and it was fine except for uncertainty in the battles vs regs.
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01-16-2015 , 09:15 AM
Lol actually checked the equity of low SC's vs mid SC's against typical UTG flatting range vs 3bets, and the equity actually goes like 65s>76s>87s>98s, which actually makes sense as we more rarely get overstraighted with 65s.
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01-16-2015 , 09:24 AM
Wow there is really alot to learn especially stuff that seems counterintuitive at first.
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01-16-2015 , 04:08 PM
Back playing uber high stakes and realising I'm bad at poker.

Thoughts on this hand please, something I really need to get sorted. My sizing and line, I think river is a fairly easy x/f.

Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed)

Button ($22.90)
Hero (SB) ($10)
BB ($5.13)
UTG ($18.27)
MP ($18.24)
CO ($24.03)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
UTG raises $0.25, 3 folds, Hero raises $0.75, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.55

Flop: ($1.70) 7, 2, J (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, UTG calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.90) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.20, UTG calls $1.20

River: ($5.30) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3.05, Hero folds

Total pot: $5.30
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01-16-2015 , 05:20 PM
Why are you betting so small?

and yeah river is a c/f
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01-16-2015 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by A.Ertbjerg
Why are you betting so small?

and yeah river is a c/f
turn sizing I don't think is too bad, flop I was just generally a bit lost.

Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed)

Button ($22.19)
SB ($12.02)
BB ($12.01)
Hero (UTG) ($11.20)
MP ($17.91)
CO ($13.41)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, 10
Hero raises $0.30, 1 fold, CO calls $0.30, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.75) K, 6, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, CO calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.75) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $1.20, CO calls $1.20

River: ($4.15) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $2, CO raises $11.41 (All-In), Hero calls $7.20 (All-In)

Total pot: $22.55

Hands that villain raises for value are AcQc, QQ, 66, 33. I doubt many people in the CO are flatting Axs vs UTG open but don't really know the games I suppose. I've not given villain KK because he will almost always raise it and this is somewhat compensated by the fact I don't believe he flats QQ all the time.

That is 1 + 3 + 3 + 3 = 10 combos.

Assuming I need 35% equity to call after rake so that's 6 combos of hands I need to beat so super awesome great call?

edit - can't combo count, 66 is 1 combo but doesn't make any major difference.

Last edited by MMSS; 01-16-2015 at 06:34 PM.
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01-16-2015 , 06:31 PM
You have an overpair in a 3-bet pot, flop is kinda wet and you bet 35% pot.

100 bb deep I would be looking to get stacks in here (depending on run out) or at lesat put myself in a position where I could if I wanted to.

You can bet smaller on flop/turn in a 3bet pot and still get stack in, but that sizing would make more sense in a 4-bet pot. As played, you are leaving yourself with 7.50 behind and a 5.30 pot. Those figures should be reversed IMO.

2nd hand, river bet is too small. Exploitatively you can think about bettin gbigger on flop/turn which I think I would tend to do at 10 NL vs pretty much all villains.
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01-16-2015 , 08:52 PM
Yeah h1 betsizings are pretty ****d up so the hand actually plays better as thin bet-fold OTR with this potsize IMO, and probably would be bet-fold even if you'd bet around 1/2 PSB OTF and OTT.

H2: We can call if we beat 3 combos. So if we think he shoves hands like 9s8s 8s7s for value and shoves a combo of AsKx/AsQx as bluff or some combination of them, we can call. Can't really say if we can call against typical NL10 villain, probably not or atleast its very close to be, but I'd probably still sigh call.

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01-17-2015 , 09:31 AM
Had some problems with 2nd pairs today.

h1: Anon tables. Do we call once or fold straight away? SB is a fish.

Microgaming - €1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 98.86 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 122.94 BB
MP: 161.71 BB
Hero (CO): 114.05 BB
BTN: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (10 BB, 3 players) 5 A 8
SB checks, UTG bets 5.5 BB, Hero calls 5.5 BB, SB calls 5.5 BB

Turn: (26.5 BB, 3 players) Q
SB checks, UTG bets 18 BB, fold, fold

h2: Seems weak but do we fold right away? He has cbet 76%, which is really high for 100nl.

OnGame - $1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 99 BB
BB: 40.73 BB (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 16.43, 3Bet Preflop: 6.56, Hands: 145)
UTG: 110.68 BB (VPIP: 24.87, PFR: 18.72, 3Bet Preflop: 9.47, Hands: 395)
MP: 44.53 BB (VPIP: 29.03, PFR: 19.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
CO: 123.19 BB (VPIP: 24.21, PFR: 18.12, 3Bet Preflop: 7.36, Hands: 1,344)
BTN: 102.18 BB (VPIP: 17.61, PFR: 14.21, 3Bet Preflop: 7.48, Hands: 5,319)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 9

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) J 3 A
Hero checks, CO bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Turn: (13 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, CO bets 9 BB, fold

h3: Do we continue with gut-shot? Probably not folding flop...
He snap bet turn, which is kind of annoying in these anon tables, you get paranoid about players exploiting you :P

Microgaming - €1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 119.7 BB
SB: 174.52 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 115.67 BB
MP: 100.37 BB
CO: 255.09 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 7

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4.5 BB, 2 players) 6 4 A
Hero checks, BTN bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Turn: (10.5 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, BTN bets 8 BB, fold
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01-17-2015 , 09:52 AM
h1: it's pretty close as he bets into 2 opponents, think you can fold this OTF without BDFD.

h2: Can't fold flop vs that sizing. Turn is pretty much fold unless you have read he double barrels too much, then you could prob peel one more.

h2: I'd probably turn it into a bluff OTT and barrel any spade OTR.
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01-17-2015 , 10:08 AM
I think you can fold h1 on the flop and it's not even that close. Surely this is reasonably low in your range & you've got horrible relative position. Are hardly ever going to realise your equity. Nor is it a spot where you're really worried about being exploited because it doesn't happen all that often.


h2 - I think I 3bet pre, when CO is cbetting so much you really need to be thinking about how your range plays postflop.
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01-17-2015 , 10:10 AM
He's IP in the h1, which makes it pretty close one. And making a small bet light against 2 opponents is something I think is usually very +EV atleast in my limit as villains are often underdefending because "Hero needs to have stronk range betting into 2 opponents".


Oh yeah actually agree on h2, 3bet pre, thought it was MP that raised first in. I'm not a fan of having cc range SBvBtn/CO.

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01-17-2015 , 10:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by doctor877
He's IP in the h1, which makes it pretty close one.
RELATIVE position is what I said.

http://www.thepokerbank.com/strategy...tive-position/
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01-17-2015 , 10:26 AM
H1 fold flop, he's UTG + we're 3-way + there's a fish in the pot = his range is strong, and also the fish likely has all Ax pre.
H2 3b pre, flop is close, depends on villain's cbet % but I'm inclined to fold.
H3 Think both calling and raising are okay
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01-17-2015 , 10:27 AM
Makes sense MMSS.

Oh didn't realize SB is under 100bb, just fold.
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01-17-2015 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
H3 Think both calling and raising are okay
Assuming raise is always folding to a reraise, which I can't see any reason to think it wouldn't. Would you expand on ideas on various river cards given each action?
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01-17-2015 , 10:53 AM
Bet spades, 5 and probably 9, xf rest.
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01-17-2015 , 11:33 AM
Betting most rivers which aren't an A, we have good blockers
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01-17-2015 , 01:47 PM
Is the uk pokerstars VIP calculator miles out or something? It's saying 0.05VPP/hand for 10nl zoom which is about 0.01 more than I was getting before the change in rake structure which gives me less VPP/$ raked. It used to be fairly spot on for estimating what I got.

Anyone got any estimated figures?
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01-17-2015 , 04:08 PM
Thanks for feedback.
Here's a spot that I'm unsure of.
Villain is somewhat aggro reg, 12% squeeze, cbets in 3b pot 71%. I made a read earlier that he double barrelled gut-shot on turn scare card in 3-bet pot (he 3-bet A7s vs BTN).
Do we call turn here? Shoving as bluff might not work given he has 39€ left, but our line would look very nutted, and he could fold something like TT-QQ.
I thought that it was unlikely that he would bet flop as pure bluff, so I wouldn't put him on AK.

Microgaming - €1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 112.01 BB
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.41, PFR: 18.62, 3Bet Preflop: 9.44, Hands: 2,583)
BB: 105.15 BB (VPIP: 34.83, PFR: 28.48, 3Bet Preflop: 13.08, Hands: 2,538)
UTG: 109.42 BB (VPIP: 40.50, PFR: 15.50, 3Bet Preflop: 5.81, Hands: 206)
MP: 107.07 BB (VPIP: 22.08, PFR: 15.42, 3Bet Preflop: 5.42, Hands: 1,356)
CO: 43.55 BB (VPIP: 59.62, PFR: 40.38, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 55)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 8

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, SB raises to 13 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 9 BB

Flop: (28 BB, 2 players) 5 6 4
SB bets 18 BB, Hero calls 18 BB

Turn: (64 BB, 2 players) K
SB bets 30 BB, fold

Spoiler:
SB wins 91 BB
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01-17-2015 , 04:50 PM
Think this is a spot where you need to be looking at your range and in particular whether you have a flop raising range here
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01-18-2015 , 10:21 AM
Few hands from the last couple of days, all vs unknown villains as no sample at zoom.


3b pre is probably debatable so thoughts on that, think the rest of the hand is pretty standard until the river. I expect villain to have an Ace fairly often yet very rarely does he have AA or A3 and I'm not expecting calls from much else apart from an Ace so for rake reasons checking is better?

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #34226711

    BTN: $17.35 (173.5 bb)
    Hero (SB): $12.54 (125.4 bb)
    BB: $11.59 (115.9 bb)
    UTG: $66.46 (664.6 bb)
    MP: $11.95 (119.5 bb)
    CO: $10.14 (101.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 2 A
    3 folds, BTN raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.60, BB folds, BTN calls $0.40

    Flop: ($1.30) 3 2 A (2 players)
    Hero bets $1, BTN calls $1

    Turn: ($3.30) 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.90, BTN calls $1.90

    River: ($7.10) A (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN checks




    Thoughts on flop and turn please.




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      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #34226721

      BTN: $12.09 (120.9 bb)
      SB: $18.74 (187.4 bb)
      Hero (BB): $16.36 (163.6 bb)
      UTG: $13.41 (134.1 bb)
      MP: $11 (110 bb)
      CO: $8.42 (84.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A 6
      4 folds, SB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.60) J T 8 (2 players)
      SB bets $0.37, Hero calls $0.37

      Turn: ($1.34) K (2 players)
      SB bets $0.85, Hero raises to $3, SB folds




      Think this hand is standard until the river, although if anyone thinks otherwise let me know, checking the river is pretty bad but thoughts on sizings against villains range?




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        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #34226731

        BTN: $34.70 (347 bb)
        SB: $10.21 (102.1 bb)
        BB: $10 (100 bb)
        UTG: $14.03 (140.3 bb)
        MP: $12.19 (121.9 bb)
        Hero (CO): $14.33 (143.3 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 A
        2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20

        Flop: ($0.65) 9 4 9 (2 players)
        BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB raises to $1.46, Hero calls $1.06

        Turn: ($3.57) 7 (2 players)
        BB bets $1.77, Hero calls $1.77

        River: ($7.11) J (2 players)
        BB checks, Hero checks




        Not sure about this hand at all.




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          BTN: $10 (100 bb)
          SB: $10 (100 bb)
          BB: $5.57 (55.7 bb)
          UTG: $10.31 (103.1 bb)
          Hero (MP): $10.10 (101 bb)
          CO: $9.71 (97.1 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is MP with 8 8
          UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.30, CO folds, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

          Flop: ($0.75) 6 9 J (2 players)
          Hero bets $0.50, BTN calls $0.50

          Turn: ($1.75) 7 (2 players)
          Hero bets $1.20, BTN calls $1.20

          River: ($4.15) K (2 players)
          Hero bets $3, BTN folds




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          01-18-2015 , 10:39 AM
          A2s: Pre is standard but make it bigger (80c is good) against a minraise. Bet like 1.30 OTR, try and get calls from flushes and random K hi
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          01-18-2015 , 11:23 AM
          h2: I'd raise most of NFD's OTF here. On the other hand I'm bad with bvb postflop ranges.

          h3: Dirty nit, bet river, you block big range of V's xf range OTR.

          h4: Not that sure of the flop cbet, but once you go for it you prettymuch have to barrel these turn and river cards WP IMO, V has so many pair+draw hands OTT that will fold to 3rd barrel. Should probably bet bigger OTR, POT seems good as your range is very polarized here.
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          01-18-2015 , 06:33 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
          A2s: Pre is standard but make it bigger (80c is good) against a minraise. Bet like 1.30 OTR, try and get calls from flushes and random K hi
          Silly of me not to miss the fact flushes wouldn't fold, especially after some of the stuff I've seen today.

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          Originally Posted by doctor877
          h2: I'd raise most of NFD's OTF here. On the other hand I'm bad with bvb postflop ranges.

          h3: Dirty nit, bet river, you block big range of V's xf range OTR.

          h4: Not that sure of the flop cbet, but once you go for it you prettymuch have to barrel these turn and river cards WP IMO, V has so many pair+draw hands OTT that will fold to 3rd barrel. Should probably bet bigger OTR, POT seems good as your range is very polarized here.
          Thanks for the feedback.

          Anyway think this is my biggest winning day from cash results.



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