https://www.pokertableratings.com/ha...76/23830647961

How about this hand did i play this wrong?

One of the things you have to understand in poker is that "right" and "wrong" do not mean what you think it means.

Recreational players associate winning with "right" and losing with "wrong".

What advanced and thinking players understand is that given the nature of poker, it is possible to play "right" and lose or play "wrong" and win.

I won't be able to give you this understanding in one post. But if you can try to think beyond "winning and losing" but instead think in terms of ranges and how a certain range of actions will tend to trend towards a certain range of results... then it will start to make sense.

Download pokerstove and get poker tracker or holdem manager and keep reading/posting on 2+2 and one day you will have an epiphany and the concept of EV will make sense

Preflop:

Villain will open shove 10's+ AKs, AKo it's +ev for me to call with QQ correct?

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.629% 46.25% 01.38% 194824356 5801790.00 { TT+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 52.371% 50.99% 01.38% 214798848 5801790.00 { QQ }

i understand this....let me rephrase this...was this a positive ev situation...i know that if I make a correct play and i lose the pot that in the long run i will win because of the math and statistical favorite that i am...i know this..

I am probably the wrong person to try to help you, but I will give it a shot. Someone slap me quick if I am wrong.

Take the advice given and download pokerstove.

Punch in what the villains range is.

Punch in your hand

Find out you equity against his range

Look at your pot odds

That will tell you if it was +ev or -ev.

I think a lot of the posters here are making it overly complicated for you. They aren't telling you anything wrong but I get the impression you are very new and even the concept of putting someone on a range might not be something you've ever done.

Imagine if you and your opponent have random hands each and he goes all in with every single hand, then imagine you have a hand that is slightly better than average; your hand beats 51% of the possible hands if you both go all in. You would go all in all day here right? You might lose 500 pots in a row because of bad luck, but you'd still go all in with your hand. This is what we mean by a +EV play, a play in which we expect to earn more than we lose in the long run.

So to apply this to your situation, let us assume that people will only shove preflop with TT+, AKs, AKo (which is probably quite accurate at 4NL). This is what is meant by putting someone on a range; the set of hands we think that they will shove with is {TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA, AKs, AKo}. So it would make sense for us to call their shove with anything that wins 51% of the time if they randomly pick a hand from this set, right?

So how do we work out if we win more than 50% of the time against this range? Well, we could spend our days listing all the possible flops, turns and rivers but it wouldn't be fun. So we use a program like Pokerstove which does it for us.

Carr1ck pasted the output of Pokerstove when we say we have QQ and they have a random hand from this range:

It says we can expect to take away 52.371% of the money in the pot!

Would you call his all in shove with QQ if you felt confident he had one of those hands? Would it be +EV to do so?

Well no I just use a program to do equations for me


Let's say you have AA and another player has KK. You both shove before the flop. Did you know that you have roughly an 81% chance to win? But why 81%?

Five cards coming out of the deck makes a ton of combinations. It's like 48 x 47 x 46 x 45 x 44 or 205.5 million unique boards. Of those, 1.7 million are used because the order doesn't matter. AA will win about 1.38 million times, or 81% of the time. Every situation can be boiled down to equity, or what you get if you both shove at that moment.

In this situation, you will win 100 BBs 81% of the time, and lose 100 BBs 19% of the time. Lets bust out an equation!

100 x 0.81 - 100 x 0.19 = 62 BBs or $2.48.

Your EV preflop for AA vs KK 2 dollars and 48 cents.

thank you very much for this explanation and yes i am recently putting my opponents on ranges i do know what that means. what do the three differnet percentages mean and the last set of numbers after the percentages...which ones is won tied lost? first percentages mean ev right?

It's in the header row:
equity win tie pots won pots tied

equity
win
tie
pots won
pots tied

ok thank you very much....so in the long run making this call with QQ is a profitable play then huh ok thanks