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I Have JJ. What Should I Have Done Differently? I Have JJ. What Should I Have Done Differently?

08-20-2017 , 01:05 PM
This is from a .01/.02 game on Americas Cardroom. I only have played 14 hands with the villain and didn't notice anything ridiculous about how he was playing.

I have JhJd on the button. I raise to .06 after the action was folded to me. The SB calls and the BB 3Bets to .24. I call and the SB folds. Flop comes KhQhQs. Villain checks and I decide to bet .20. Villain calls. Turn is 6h. Villain checks. I check. River is 9c. Villain bets .24. I call. Villain has Kd10h.

I decided to bet the flop because at least some of the time hands that would 3Bet the flop can fold to my bet. When he calls I think that means he's going to have a lot of flush draws but I think he rarely has a king because why would you not bet the flop if you took the betting lead preflop with the 4x 3Bet? Regardless, I decide to check back the turn because flush draws I was concerned about on the flop get there and I don't really fell like worse hands that called my flop bet will fold to bets on the turn. On the river when the villain bets 1/4 pot I feel like most of the time hes trying to represent a weak hand that just gets folds from weaker hands that happened to get to the river and I decide that my 2 pair with a flush blocker probably beats that most of the time so I call. So he had a king and that surprised me as I stated earlier because I thought kings should usually CBet the flop.

Anyways I'm super interested to hear thoughts on this. It could be that all of my analysis is foolish so if that's the case then I'm also interested what you guys were thinking.
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08-20-2017 , 01:13 PM
Fold flop the majority of the time and definitely dont call river. Far too many draws get there and any random Queen or King hand has you crushed.

Shut down on a flop like that anyway boss.

JJ facing a 3 bet pre should set alarm bells ringing anyway.
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08-20-2017 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Pac=Duran
JJ facing a 3 bet pre should set alarm bells ringing anyway.
We are raising from the button and should be doing so wide, no, it shouldn't barring reads that the other guy is a nit which we don't have. Definitely shut down on that flop though
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08-20-2017 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
We are raising from the button and should be doing so wide, no, it shouldn't barring reads that the other guy is a nit which we don't have. Definitely shut down on that flop though
Sheeet your right didn't pay enough attention to the post talking about position. My lack of regard for position unfortunately reflects on my results playing as well as posting. FML
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08-20-2017 , 01:59 PM
thats the worst flop possible and most of the time you will be in a 2 outs position. I know its hard to flop big hands (or apparent big hands) but when your behin you cant do much.
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08-20-2017 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by UTGSurgeon
I decided to bet the flop because at least some of the time hands that would 3Bet the flop can fold to my bet.
Only hands that are worse will fold the flop

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So he had a king and that surprised me as I stated earlier because I thought kings should usually CBet the flop.
Besides the loose 3bet preflop, he is not often going to get called by much worse and if he bets he can also get raised by draws which is even worse.
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08-20-2017 , 04:29 PM
If there was one hand that should check back this flop more than any other, it's JJ. It makes very little sense as a value-bet because hardly anything worse calls (you have 2 blockers to Broadway draws, and one blocker to FDs), and it makes no sense at all as a bluff, because literally no better hands ever fold.

If you want to bet this flop, use some hands that have some equity against villain's calling range. In other words, bet your Qx hands for value, bet your AT/AJ/JT combos as a semi-bluff, and bet your flush draws as a semi-bluff. Check back all your Kx, JJ, TT, 99, as these have showdown value, and are often either way ahead or way behind.

River is a fold. You've already put money in the pot on one street too many. Don't pay him off with the 85th nuts or whatever you've got now.
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08-20-2017 , 04:45 PM
Your hand is strong enough to 4-bet for value BU vs. BB, which is what I'd do.

The flop is a check-back for reasons Arty mentioned. You're not giving up completely since you can call 1-2 bets unimproved depending on sizing/runout. Kx is not out of his range yet here because of the flop check.

Once you bet the flop and get this runout, you can't call the river. Raising is an option, but I'd just prefer a fold as players don't like to give up the hands this line is repping at these stakes.
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08-20-2017 , 05:19 PM
Thanks guys for all the responses. I definitely agree with your guys reasoning. Certainly checking the flop and folding the river were better lines. I think especially folding the river seems even more correct since he called my flop bet regardless of if the flop bet was correct or not (I realize it probably was not).
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08-20-2017 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
Your hand is strong enough to 4-bet for value BU vs. BB, which is what I'd do.

The flop is a check-back for reasons Arty mentioned. You're not giving up completely since you can call 1-2 bets unimproved depending on sizing/runout. Kx is not out of his range yet here because of the flop check.

Once you bet the flop and get this runout, you can't call the river. Raising is an option, but I'd just prefer a fold as players don't like to give up the hands this line is repping at these stakes.
Do you think a 4bet in the same situation in a tournament would be a good shout?
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08-21-2017 , 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by UTGSurgeon
This is from a .01/.02 game on Americas Cardroom. I only have played 14 hands with the villain and didn't notice anything ridiculous about how he was playing.

I have JhJd on the button. I raise to .06 after the action was folded to me. The SB calls and the BB 3Bets to .24. I call and the SB folds. Flop comes KhQhQs. Villain checks and I decide to bet .20. Villain calls. Turn is 6h. Villain checks. I check. River is 9c. Villain bets .24. I call. Villain has Kd10h.

I decided to bet the flop because at least some of the time hands that would 3Bet the flop can fold to my bet. When he calls I think that means he's going to have a lot of flush draws but I think he rarely has a king because why would you not bet the flop if you took the betting lead preflop with the 4x 3Bet? Regardless, I decide to check back the turn because flush draws I was concerned about on the flop get there and I don't really fell like worse hands that called my flop bet will fold to bets on the turn. On the river when the villain bets 1/4 pot I feel like most of the time hes trying to represent a weak hand that just gets folds from weaker hands that happened to get to the river and I decide that my 2 pair with a flush blocker probably beats that most of the time so I call. So he had a king and that surprised me as I stated earlier because I thought kings should usually CBet the flop.

Anyways I'm super interested to hear thoughts on this. It could be that all of my analysis is foolish so if that's the case then I'm also interested what you guys were thinking.
I dont mind your line. NH
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