Hey guys, it has been less than a month since I joined 2p2 and I see that my game is improving as it has not improved in the last 10 years.

Although I might look like a fish on a heater, I'm having more fun and at least making a profit instead of losing my BR in less than 5k hands currently.
My poker goal thread can be be found here.

I'm hoping to make it to 25NL and ahead step by step, by doubling my BR with a steady rise.

What helped in doing this was the books I have read, the hands I have reviewed and replied to at the micro nl forum -although most of my answers were not correct, it helped me learn more with the help of flamers.

The questions I asked and the answers I received at this forum was also a huge help, as well as my goals page helps keep my focus by declaring what I'm upto to all of you.

So a very big thank you to all of you guys for making hold'em more fun and profitable for me -hope I won't jinx myself.

Now, here comes the "genius" part.

We know that position is one of the most -if not THE most- important factors in a hand.
We also know that we bleed from BB & SB.

So what if I sat out for the BB & SB and get right in at the button by posting the BB & SB? My raises will also look bigger than they actually are at that point and I probably can make a profit by stealing the blinds + saving my blinds for most of the time.

Has anyone tried this? Is it worth tryin'?

Thanx

Thanx

Um... can you post at the button? Thought you can only post in CO. Maybe I've played too much live.

Hmm wow, this sounds fun.

Correct, you can post in CO but it is still a much better position for involuntary posting compared to BB & SB, aint't it

Yeah, that wouldn't work. If you miss the BB and come back in when the person to your left would normally be putting out the SB, you can buy the button by putting out the BB and SB. So you could theoretically get away with only having to play one hand from a blind position per orbit. I say theoretically, because I'm sure most cardrooms would frown on this practice, and other players would complain.

Even if you could get away with this, it still isn't a good idea. You don't want to clue in the fish at your table that there's some inherent disadvantage to the blind positions. True story: I was with my uncle at Foxwoods once; he and I had been playing at 2 different tables, I had cashed out and was waiting on him. He said "I'm just going to play my next big blind and then get up." I was certain I'd heard him wrong, that he actually meant he'd play until his next big blind. Nope. When the big blind came around to him, he posted it, played the hand, and then he got up. I asked him about it and he said, "Didn't want to miss out on my last free hand."

The tradeoff you are making though is that you can never have the button. Besides, you probably don't want to be known as "that guy".

That does work -technicality wise- and can work -profit wise- at online games.

I used to see BB posted hands as free plays when I was a much greener fish too

SB is dead, so any raises in front of you, you are out the SB.

You must post both blinds in the CO - you never get to post on the button anywhere, anytime, anyplace.

So basically you are paying the small blind to take your big blind in the CO. You never ever play a hand in the best spot at the table, and you're paying for six hands instead of nine.

These are all valid points, however:

You are still ahead of the SB positionwise at the CO.

How does the following sound?
Could this be correct?

Be a man and play your blinds imo. People do stuff like this in casinos...and get a lot of crap for it (rightfully so).

On the topic of learning from flamers...+1. It's funny because a while ago I looked at posts/threads I've made much earlier when I just joined 2p2 and would get embarrassed at how dumb they were, BUT if you are doing your job as a poker player and 2p2 member then that means that your bad posts from back then are clear evidence that you're improving. I hope I get to look at all my posts from 2012 when it's 2013 and find them idiotic as well (everyone else probably already finds them idiotic though lol)

^^ that's an idiotic post

So you are going to post two blinds and receive one hand in return. Seems like a smart play.

OP is giving poker geniuses around the world a bad name with this thread. Someone please stop this recklessness!!!!

Well, you still have to post the dead blinds, so if you play 6-max you will missing 1/3 of the hands you usually gets to play.

So, instead of posting BB + SB and see six hands you post BB + SB from BTN play four hands, and sit out two hands, pay and play four more hands, sit out etc?

Can`t really see the genius in that. Sorry

Do you plan to sit out every time you're about to be in the blinds?
You'll be so focussed on clicking the "sit out", "sit back in", "post dead blind" buttons that you won't be able to concentrate on the action at the table. And you'll end up playing fewer hands per hour, which - if you're a winning player - is pretty far from genius.

Thats a pretty crazy and ridiculous theory imo. But if you do experiment with it, be sure to let us know how it goes.

Well, I'm currently trying to beat 2NL for the first time, so trying it at this stage of my development is far fetched as I already don't make lots of hands due to a busy biz schedule.

However, admit it, non of you ever gave a thought on this before

I still believe that it wouldn't be way too bad, and am here to stand by it until someone shows some hard evidence against it.

you aren't the first guy to think of it, and I've seen people complain about this behavior a long time ago. it's just scummy.

people also get mad when someone keeps sitting out in a specific game in mixed games. at 2nl, by all means, go for it though

Flawed thinking maybe but at least youre thinking.
You will be beating 2nl very soon.
Alot of players there never think.

GL

I smoke, so I do this live and pay up on the CO. Not every time obv, but I find it the optimal way to take my breaks. Never heard anyone complain as others pointed out I'm losing the button for this. I just figure if I'm out 2-3 hands best 3 are my utg & blinds.

I don't find it scummy at all and even if it was, that is irrelevant. This is a game and as long as he is playing within the rules of the game, there is absolutely nothing wrong with this. (aside from the strategic issue of paying the same amount to get 3 less hands including no hands from the button which is the most advantageous position on the table by far).

This is a bad idea.

Go find the COTW titled "THe last work on the red line" or something to that effect.

Scroll down to the part that shows your losses in the blinds. Plug in the suggested filters and see that the times we choose to enter the pot (as in, Cold called/3B, completed etc), we have an assending green line.

The logic is totally flawed anyway since we have to pay those blinds at somepoint... why not get to see the two hands we have essentially forfitted?

Loss rate with your idea would be BB: -100bb/100, sb: - 50bb/100

A decent loss rate at FR is something like BB:-40bb/100 and sb: -20bb/100 - look at all the money your throwing away by choosing not to play the blinds.

Your really not going to improve your BTN WR enough for this to be a good plan

Besides, blind play is relativly easy & one of the best ways to improve your WR. Choosing when to flat in the sb/bb vs a steal is one of the key leaks for newer player... plug it and your game will improve ten fold overnight (Knowing when to CC and when not is important... I see too many people CC with baby pairs to set mine in terrible spots - Pains me to see them hit, stack off and think their play was good when, in fact, its terrible)

I refer you to Kant's Categorical Imperative.

Hey everybody! Don't post the blinds except from the cutoff! It's genius! Er...wait...this game's taking ages to get started...