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Old 06-22-2012, 04:16 PM   #1
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HU cash good run? beginners luck?

I believer it's just beginners luck. Yesterday i entered a 90man (for the first time in my life) 3.50$ mtt and managed to win it. I've tried to give HU cash games a shot. Managed to turn 50$ into $145 playing specifically vs 2 fishes who gave away their money to me.

I don't think im a great player but I do have some knowledge of how to play HU games. Can anyone give me their opinion on pokerstars HU cash game players? It seems like they are really soft as i've managed to triple up my br within 40mins.

I know I shouldn't be playing these games as I am not rolled for them but it seems like they are the way to go.

First of all, how many bi should I looking at to play 0.25/0.50$ HU cash games?

Secondly, I often make the same mistake and play poker whether it's sng's or cash games I am a break even player. For the first 2 days after depositing/winning from a free roll I can play cash games and win hands then lose my money playing like an id**t, sng's i win 1/3 games making me break even and in hu sng i win 1 then lose 1. After 2 days of 0 profit 0 loss I just decide to play higher stakes to have some action rather than be stationary.

I have nearly 20BI for 7$ 1 table sng's which I have originally wanted to play, however I am thinking about the hu cash games.

Don't start saying i should quit etc or learn to play as i know i don't know how to play properly (maybe i do but i'm just not patient enough to play)

I have no idea what to do with my br now. HU cash - might have just been lucky and the sng's I would need to sort out 2 things. First of all, when i play 1.50's i manage to play tight at the begining and aggressive when the blinds are 25/50 and higher, when i play 3.50's and higher i get sucked out on so badly and these tournaments usually take really long as in the 6-max all players can have 1.5k chips for 30-40mins of the sng and then i just start loosening up as it's not fun to play 1 tournament that no one is leading in.
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:28 PM   #2
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Re: HU cash good run? beginners luck?

You should look into the different sub forums of TPT. They have many stickies that answer all of your questions.

As for the BI for the 1-table SNG many people recommend 75BI at the very least. Better is around 100 BI.
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:36 PM   #3
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Re: HU cash good run? beginners luck?

I have heard that for the 1table sng the bi's are so high but isn't that too high? i mean, if i do loose 2 tournaments, i pretty much always win the 3rd one to get my other 2bi's back so it's a matter of how i play and i think to turn 100BI 1.50$ into 100bi 3.50$ will take a long time. I heard that for mtt's the BI recommendations are 75-100 so why do sng's have such high requirements since for example the 6max tournaments you only need to beat 4 people to turn a minimal profit whereas in mtt's you need to beat many more opponents.
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:39 PM   #4
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Re: HU cash good run? beginners luck?

So your not multi-tabling I presume?

Also, there is a thing called variance that is a bitch. You can go on streaks where you lose many man tournaments in a row.

If you want more info about 1-table SNG go to that sub forum and look at the top for stickies and read them.
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:42 PM   #5
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:45 PM   #6
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No i don't multi table, i try to concentrate on 1 table at a time, its when i add another table i loosen up and that's when i lose.

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Old 06-22-2012, 05:32 PM   #7
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Old 06-22-2012, 06:45 PM   #8
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carried on playing HU cash games and br now up to 204.76$. Used the "Exclude me from playing" function for 24hours just in case I do something stupid and I will see what i'm going to do next. Seems like i'm doing alright in the HU cash games so i might try to get rolled enough to play the lowest limits.
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Old 06-22-2012, 09:01 PM   #9
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In b4 broke.
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Old 06-22-2012, 10:52 PM   #10
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carried on playing HU cash games and br now up to 204.76$. Used the "Exclude me from playing" function for 24hours just in case I do something stupid and I will see what i'm going to do next. Seems like i'm doing alright in the HU cash games so i might try to get rolled enough to play the lowest limits.
You need a much bigger roll for HU cash than full ring cash games, so quit playing HU unless you want to lose it all.

Play HUSNGs, with a $200 roll you can play the $5 games comfortably and move up to $10s once you hit ~$300. You'll learn more about playing HU, and you won't be risking anywhere near as much money doing it.
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Old 06-23-2012, 07:44 AM   #11
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Re: HU cash good run? beginners luck?

The problem is, in HUSNG's once i lose some chips i cant get them back so i'm behind whereas in cash games i rebuy to max which makes it a bit easier = i lose more often in sng's than in hu cash. Right now i will try 10NL normal cash games and see how it goes
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Old 06-23-2012, 07:49 AM   #12
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if you are playing 50nl HU with 4 buyins, you will go busto very shortly. Be glad of the bit of luck you have had thus far, drop down to the $1 and $2 sng's and start to work on your game. Or dont! Just play higher and higher til you either get rich or go bust.
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Old 06-23-2012, 09:56 AM   #13
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Ok so i've withdrawed what i have originally deposited some time ago and this left me now with a bankroll of 183$. I have over 100BI for the 1.50SNG HU games which i am going to use to learn how to play HUsng's. I know answers to these questions are probably somewhere on the forum already but as i'm already writing I just wanted to ask for a beginner, would you recommend playing Hyper/Regular or Turbo sng's ? Also, what is the best way to learn how to play sng's ? I usually shove or call a shove in the wrong moment and thats when i lose the chip lead.
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Old 06-23-2012, 04:46 PM   #14
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I know answers to these questions are probably somewhere on the forum already but as i'm already writing I just wanted to ask for a beginner, would you recommend playing Hyper/Regular or Turbo sng's?
Regulars let you play more actual poker, the turbos end up being more about making the right shoves/calling shoves with the right hands once the blinds get higher.
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Also, what is the best way to learn how to play sng's?
Read the stickies in this forum.
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I usually shove or call a shove in the wrong moment and thats when i lose the chip lead.
This comes down to hand reading skills, really. As you play more, you get a better idea of what kind of hands people play, and how they play them.
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I believer it's just beginners luck. Yesterday i entered a 90man (for the first time in my life) 3.50$ mtt and managed to win it. I've tried to give HU cash games a shot. Managed to turn 50$ into $145 playing specifically vs 2 fishes who gave away their money to me.

I don't think im a great player but I do have some knowledge of how to play HU games. Can anyone give me their opinion on pokerstars HU cash game players? It seems like they are really soft as i've managed to triple up my br within 40mins.

I know I shouldn't be playing these games as I am not rolled for them but it seems like they are the way to go.

First of all, how many bi should I looking at to play 0.25/0.50$ HU cash games?

Secondly, I often make the same mistake and play poker whether it's sng's or cash games I am a break even player. For the first 2 days after depositing/winning from a free roll I can play cash games and win hands then lose my money playing like an id**t, sng's i win 1/3 games making me break even and in hu sng i win 1 then lose 1. After 2 days of 0 profit 0 loss I just decide to play higher stakes to have some action rather than be stationary.

I have nearly 20BI for 7$ 1 table sng's which I have originally wanted to play, however I am thinking about the hu cash games.

Don't start saying i should quit etc or learn to play as i know i don't know how to play properly (maybe i do but i'm just not patient enough to play)

I have no idea what to do with my br now. HU cash - might have just been lucky and the sng's I would need to sort out 2 things. First of all, when i play 1.50's i manage to play tight at the begining and aggressive when the blinds are 25/50 and higher, when i play 3.50's and higher i get sucked out on so badly and these tournaments usually take really long as in the 6-max all players can have 1.5k chips for 30-40mins of the sng and then i just start loosening up as it's not fun to play 1 tournament that no one is leading in.
1. Standard bankroll management for a beginner is to have something like 25 BI for a cash game, and 50 BI for SNG. I started with $1 SNGs, and I didn't move up to the next level (which was $5 then) until i was bankrolled for it. It wasn't always fun, and it took a long time. That's why it's called grinding.

2. Collin Moshman has authored books on both SNGs and heads-up play. They are both 2+2 books if you want to check them out.

3. Poker is a game of long-term results. If you worry about 1 tournament, daily results, or weekly results, you're probably going to wind up going on tilt. Search the term VARIANCE, or STATISTICAL VARIANCE, on these forums or elsewhere. If anyone wants to dig into the mathematics and theory of variance, there is a good article in Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variance

Often on these forums, a new players will post his stats and ask for an evaluation of his play. He will often get an answer like this:

Small sample size. Ask again when you're played at least 10K hands.

The point is that you can have a hot streak or a nasty downswing, but after a long enough time (that is, after you reach a statiscially valid sample size), those things will tend to even out, and you can start to get an idea of whether or not you are a winning player.

Recently I decided to check out exactly how long my long-term was. Taking 10K hands as the absolute minimum, and using the standard of 1 live hand every 2 minutes of play, and 1 online hand for every 1 minute of play, I came up with a minimum long-term threshold for me. It was about 7.5 weeks of playing.

In other words, my results don't even start to mean anything over any period of less than 2 months.

I've bolded parts of your posts to show how invested you are in short-term results, such as 1 tournament, or two days without profit. If you want to do well at poker, it is imperative that you ditch your short-term mindset.

I keep close track of my results, and the main number I use is how I've done for the month, because it's a convenient interval. I understand however, that a winning or losing month isn't something about which I should spend time worrying. A lot of players put their numbers on a graph to get a longer-term view.
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