PokerStars - $0.93+$0.07|20/40 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 16.13 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
SB: 10 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (BB): 11.38 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T 8

BTN calls 1 BB, SB raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 3 players) 8 K Q
SB bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, fold

Turn: (10 BB, 2 players) 4
SB bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

River: (14 BB, 2 players) 8
SB bets 4 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 4 BB

SB shows J K (Two Pair, Kings and Eights) (Pre 67%, Flop 86%, Turn 89%)
Hero shows T 8 (Three of a Kind, Eights) (Pre 33%, Flop 14%, Turn 11%)
Hero wins 22 BB


At the turn my thought process was simply "i'm gonna need to improve to 2 pair or trips to win and i'm 8-1 chance of this happening and i'm facing an 80 risk with a potential reward of 720 so that looks to be closely about right so i'll call.

turns out my equity prediction was correct but i was just a tad under breakeven with my reward so i'm guessing this call was a long term fail? would you have folded on either the flop or turn here?

click fold at every opportunity you have. except the river

You fold T8o to a limp and min-raise preflop?

that shallow, yes, i do

Sixfour I respect your answer but say sb had 12bb instead of 10 and say you did call preflop would you still fold flop and turn here? If so I'd personally believe that would be incorrect but I acknowledge I'm probably wrong in thinking that.

+1

If sb had 13 bb in his stack would you still stand by this? If you say yes it seems like madness to me. It would be no different to folding nut flush draw when you are given 4.5-1.

If sb had 13 bb here you'd be offered something like 9-1 with your 11% hand equity

It's a Spin and Go, amayarite?

This.

It's a fold pre because you have a trash hand in a spot that is almost certain to be 3-way, and you'll have the worst relative position post-flop (acting directly after the PFR). Bottom pair is not a call on that flop. It's spew, partly because the button could shove, but also because he's never folding a better hand or a solid draw. You have hardly any equity.

If it was heads up in position, then I'd probably shove over the tiny c-bet, but I'd need a read on villain's c-bet frequency.

You could write everything I know about shallow stack tournament poker on small napkin and still have room for your drink in the empty spot. I just figured that for a min-raise, it played like LHE and there it would be the super-easiest call of all time. How deep before you call the 1SB?

Yep it was a spin n go.

For me to call pre with 8 10 off I needed 2-1 and I was getting that easily so a fold here is throwing away positive ev granted I'm oop but as soon as the limping button folds which is likely, position will be regained for the later streets where the meat of the hand will be

I understand folding flop or turn but folding pre looks pretty nitty.
But like Lego i don't know anything about shortstack tournament play so...

Not sure.

I find it a lot easier to play against people that fold their T8 off's preflop rather than call them. This doesn't mean they are making the right play though.

The thing is I like to min raise tons of hands and follow it up on the flop regardless of whether I hit when short stacked. People will call and then fold if they don't hit incredibly well.

People say it's a spew to call on the flop but I would be betting the flop with 66 if the villain is going to fold an 8.

3-way pots are very very tricky though. Not quite the same as heads up.