never really put emphhasis on it but just now saw a reg trying to position himself so and started wondering if its really that good of an advantage?

You make all your profits from fish, so ideally you want to sit where you get more access to their stack than any other player at the table. That's to the immediate left of them.

However, I have heard it advocated to sit to the right of very aggressive fish, so that you get to respond to their 3bets.

It's left of fish and your right side.

And it's important, money flows to the left. By doing this you will always have position on them except when they are on the button.

Everyone's a fish. I'm a fish. You're a fish. He's a fish. She's a fish.

Okay. Maybe some very serious players aren't little fishies but most are including myself.

I like to be to the left of aggressive "fish". I prefer to refer to them as fun players though.

seat assignment and getting the right seat is a big freaking deal. It is one of the most undervalued skills in poker.

It literally can mean the difference between winning 2 or 3 buy-ins or breaking even....

In regards to fish, depending on table dynamics, you generally want the fish on your right so you have position on them. This is important because you want to play as many hands with the fish as possible. So a hand I would normally fold in LP like Q9o is a hand I would call with or even raise to isolate the fish if said fish limped into the pot. Depending on what flavor of fish we are talking about.

The other thing to take note of is how other players are adjusting to the fish. This is where it pays to be the better thinking player. Realize that other thinking players are going to be isolating fairly lightly to get heads up with the fish so you want to be able to adjust to that as well...

But to answer your question, it is a huge huge huge deal to have the fish to your right...

ANd last point, you also have to know what type of fish you are dealing with. That term gets tossed around so much that it loses all meaning.

If V is a "station" fish then you need to play value hands against him.

If V is a "I put you on AK" fish, then you need to widen your range and rep A or K when it hits and merge like a mofo and value bet thin when you have middling strength hands.

If V is an "I'm the next Durrrrr" aggro LAG then you don't want to iso but rather just call him down and give him enough rope to hang himself.

If V is a hyper maniac then you actually want to be on his right so you have relative position.

If V is a scared money fish then you want to isolate and watch your sizing so you can shove river for max fold equity...

^^ This and very glad one of our most respected poster's posted it.

Why because I've been active in BQ for well over two years and bum hunting, seat selection, table selection and table management NEVER gets the relative importance it is due.

I've seen literally dozens of threads where some hero posts his stats over a decent sample and asks "where am I going wrong". Next minute everyone's debating his 3bet stat or something - hardly anyone even bothers asking about his table selection skills and when they do it's "meh, don't really bother".

thanks for all the answers and dgi that was very detailed thanks

can you explain this part? What do you mean by "relative position"

I think (in my fishiness glory) that he means you can let the maniac do your betting for you (thus disguising your hand strength)... the rest of the table is more likely to call the maniac than they are to call your image is tight, so you get bigger pots this way. Your relative position is that you get to act last after the entire table responds to the maniac.

^^ It's not that complicated.

Position = where you are on the table for any specific hand (UTG, BTN, BB etc)
Relative Position = where you are relative to any particular villain.

If you have a fishy villain in the seat to your immediate right you have perfect relative position, which is why we call this seat the jesus seat.

If you have a fishy villain in the seat to your immediate right and you have two non-adjusting nits who don't 3bet light to your immediate left you are in poker heaven and you should be manning up the red bulls and pee pots, so you never ever have to leave until the table breaks.

That's not relative position, that's absolute position. Relative position is where you are in relation to the player who's most likely to drive the action. If he's a hyper-aggro fish, the best relative position is to have him on your immediate left, so that after he bets or raises, you can see how everyone else responds to his bet, and you can close the action (or reopen it, as you see fit).

Not in some of the texts I've read, but go with yours...I'll take the hit

DG covered this and I agree. My point was more generalised and there is no need for me to restate what DG had already covered.

If somebody is asking "is it important to have position on a fish" I'm thinking the best, simple, clear majority, answer is...

Absolutely and get them on your right. If another poster then amplifies it with further good info, then BQ has really done it's job has it not.

+1

Here's a table where the open seats are labelled A, B, and C.





Where should you sit?

Please indicate where you would sit and why?

Article about seat-selection here: https://www.pokerschoolonline.com/bl...ger-profitable


LAG = Loose Aggressive
TAG = Tight Aggressive
SLP = Super Loose Passsive
LP = Loose Passive
u-nit = uber nit (super nit)
nit = nit

Spoiler:

Dgiharris Edit: Reason, to make for a better discussion and because I'm awesome and power trippin

That is a cool picture/test. You shouldn't have gave the answer though , in fact, I think I'm going to use my mod like powers, travel back in time, and advise you on your post....


***** using mod powers*****

Done.

So the best seat is obvious, but if you have to pick one of the other seats, which one do you go for?

I interpretted "u-nit" to be short for "uber-nit". Although I guess his vpip and pfr would be on the micro side.

me too

thanks for the answers guys, btw whats the difference between u nit and nit? i never heard that term before lol. thats like the 8/5 guys?

sorry, uber nit and micro nit mean the same thing to me....

I have a scientific background so when I saw the u for some reason my brain changed it to a micron sign "µ" and automatically interpretted it as micron when it should have been uber nit


Anyways, same thing

So I traveled back in time and changed it...

That's a handy little device you have there, dgi. Could I borrow it and go back in time to last week and stop myself from paying off the uber-nit that over-shoved the river with the obvious nuts?

Wouldn't the C seat be better? You get position when you 3b the loose passive guys other good players at the table arent on your immediate left which always sucks, and you also don't have to worry about the nit 3b'ing you to your left and can easily let go of hands when he does. Plus you get to rape both nits blinds when everyone folds to you.

Edit: i see the other response was duh to C seat and what is next seat ok ok I thought I was missing something

Nice use of your flux capacitor, DGI.

I guess that mods are always in the Jesus seat.