I've been watching some of SplitSuit's videos on YouTube, and setup my PT4 HUD to be similar to his, color coding and all. However, on Bovada players are sort of anonymous, so even a sample size of 50 is rare. Other than VPIP/PFR/AF almost all the other stats are usually useless. Does anybody have advice on how you use this? Thanks in advance.

-TheProfitcy

So far I've just been using Bovada notes and color coding players. Red is LAG/TAG to indicate aggression, orange is rock/nit/maniac to indicate potentially problematic player but can be profitable to play against, yellow is for passive station-isn fish and blue is for aggro fish, both colors just because they're colors of tropical fish.

Until you get up there in stakes I think that's honestly all you need for Bovada...the players are so awful it's incredible. I literally walk away with a buy in every time I do a short session.

Not sure a HUD is that useful over such small sample sizes so that's why I haven't bothered with HE Indicator. As a side note, as you correctly pointed out, all you can really use are the VPIP/PFR/AF stats. Even on bigger sample sizes though, the 3B and F3B stats aren't very useful since it takes a LOT of hands for those numbers to become accurate. I always make a note on 3BR or 4BR whenever they show cards.

Marking the player type will also give you a reasonable idea of their C bet % and Fold to C bet % anyway. If they're a station I basically never C bet unless I hit the flop and if they're a TAG then I C bet almost always because I know they know that it's tough to continue with air.

Observing the action and making notes will be far more beneficial than using a HUD with small sample sizes imo. For example, knowing a fish is a station and will call off their entire stack with bottom pair or top pair weak kicker is gold. The only downside is finding a fish who is willing to reload since that info does you no good if they already got busted out and left.

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I don't think that's true. 50/4/0 is very likely a fish, even if only 50 hands. 10/8/4 is likely a nit.

OP mentioned stats outside VPIP/PFR/3B, the first three are indeed very likely to be meaningful over very tiny samples.

Some fish get their 70% VPIP the first orbit and then only get a higher one as they converge with their true VPIP.

Why do you bother posting in BQ with answers like these. You seem to have a problem with silly questions but this, this is the only thread for them. Go grind your post count in the High Stakes thread.

What's wrong with his answer?

Why do you bother posting in BQ with responses like these? You seem to have a problem with decent players giving free advice, and this is a public forum where we're all able to post what we want. Go complain about poor posting in ATF.


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Also his answer was fine.

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Some one please lock this!

HUD is only useful for a large sample. e.g., vpip pfr are only valid for a history of 100 hands +.

You can identify high VPIPs within like 20 hands. Someone playing 70% of hands is not going to run 12/8 ever in 20 hands.

Of course establishing a VPIP within a few % is going to take a big sample but it's easy to tag high VPIPs and people with a huge gap between VPIP and PFR.