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How to counter 95% steal from btn? How to counter 95% steal from btn?

07-07-2012 , 02:53 AM
New player at my stakes is giving me fits when he's on the button and I'm in the blinds.

Button Vpip/Pfr 62/62
ATS Button 95%
Fold steal attempt to blind reraise 57%
Cbet 89%
Fold to Cbet 50%

He always minraises button but will not fold if I 3bet him, then he won't fold when I cbet. Suggestions please.

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07-07-2012 , 03:00 AM
Tighten up and valuetown him with your best hands; call with baby pockets and better SCs because he's giving you odds with the min-raise.
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07-07-2012 , 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Beer
Tighten up and valuetown him with your best hands; call with baby pockets and better SCs because he's giving you odds with the min-raise.
This.

If he doesn't fold to your 3-bets just value town him with top of your range and call with anything that's at all playable (pp, Axs, sc's) and valuetown him when you hit.

Yes you'll lose a little more out of the blinds initially but that should be made up for when you hit hard and he c-bets for a c/r or he won't release to your c-bets
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07-07-2012 , 03:05 AM
^ also I would experiment with higher 3bet sizing to get even more value.

what does he do when you check to him after 3bet? and what about if you call then donk bet him or c/r?
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07-07-2012 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by PokaPete
^ also I would experiment with higher 3bet sizing to get even more value.
Totally this. He makes it 2bb, 3-bet to 8bb.
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07-07-2012 , 04:05 AM
Suggestion...be delighted.

You're sitting behind a weak, semi-passive, loose, pre flop/post flop station. It don't get no better than this.

If he is mini raising into your blind and stationing up your three bets you have two (both great) options. Call with great odds, or 3bet huge your monsters.

No need to be smart. Call your weaker hands and draws. 3 bet huge the others. As with all fish like this...no bluffing.
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07-07-2012 , 05:13 AM
This guy actually looks pretty good if I read his stats right.

How to adjust basically depends how good you are. If you are good and can hand read flat wide and float/checkraise a ton of flops, see how he reacts.

If you aren't good then nit up and wait for decent hands, he is gunna be printing money off you but not much you can do. 3bet bigger if he isn't folding and barrel off more when you flop decent equity/top pair/overpair.
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07-07-2012 , 07:53 AM
Shove
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07-07-2012 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Queen6Suited
How to adjust basically depends how good you are. If you are good and can hand read flat wide and float/checkraise a ton of flops, see how he reacts.
I've tried everything: 3bet pre/bet/bet, flat pre/ checkraise flop/bet turn, flat pre/donk flop/bet turn. He keeps calling. Is it gonna take 3 barrels every time? Good god, 95% ATS - he can't have it every time, can he?

Here's a hand we had today. I figured I could blow him off ace high or a pair. Is he ever doing this with ace high? He can't have a jack or a 5, can he? Is this spew?





    On Game, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13449112

    BTN: $84.76 (423.8 bb)
    SB: $53.42 (267.1 bb)
    Hero (BB): $20 (100 bb)
    UTG: $7.70 (38.5 bb)
    MP: $12.03 (60.1 bb)
    CO: $12.65 (63.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q 9
    3 folds, BTN raises to $0.40, SB folds, Hero calls $0.20

    Flop: ($0.90) 5 5 J (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

    Turn: ($2.30) 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN checks

    River: ($2.30) J (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.50, BTN raises to $5, Hero raises to $10, BTN raises to $15, Hero folds

    Results: $22.30 pot ($1.11 rake)
    Final Board: 5 5 J 4 J
    BTN mucked and won $21.19 ($10.09 net)
    Hero mucked Q 9 and lost (-$11.10 net)



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    07-07-2012 , 10:33 AM
    Pure spew, he can easily have a Jack.
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    07-07-2012 , 10:42 AM
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    Originally Posted by seoulken
    I've tried everything: 3bet pre/bet/bet, flat pre/ checkraise flop/bet turn, flat pre/donk flop/bet turn. He keeps calling....

    I figured I could blow him off ace high or a pair...
    If he keeps calling, why are you trying to blow him off anything?
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    07-07-2012 , 10:43 AM
    3 Bet a wide and merged range. The fact that he's willing to pay off your c-bets makes his consistent raising no unprofitable if you aren't folding a ridiculous amount. He is playing in a way that implies he thinks he knows what he's doing... but he doesn't. He shouldn't be calling your 3 bets and cbets so wide but he is so valuetown his ass
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    07-07-2012 , 10:50 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mikes007
    If he keeps calling, why are you trying to blow him off anything?
    winner
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    07-07-2012 , 11:06 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by seoulken

    BTN: $84.76 (423.8 bb)
    SB: $53.42 (267.1 bb)
    Hero (BB): $20 (100 bb)
    UTG: $7.70 (38.5 bb)
    MP: $12.03 (60.1 bb)
    CO: $12.65 (63.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q 9
    3 folds, BTN raises to $0.40, SB folds, Hero calls $0.20

    Flop: ($0.90) 5 5 J (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

    Turn: ($2.30) 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN checks

    River: ($2.30) J (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.50, BTN raises to $5, Hero raises to $10, BTN raises to $15, Hero folds

    Results: $22.30 pot ($1.11 rake)
    Final Board: 5 5 J 4 J
    BTN mucked and won $21.19 ($10.09 net)
    Hero mucked Q 9 and lost (-$11.10 net)
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    I was trying to think of a good strategy to beat this guy until I saw the hand you posted. You are losing because you do not know how to play poker. Drop down, read a lot more, try again. In this hand, fold pre, check fold flop, check fold turn, check fold river. ESPECIALLY check fold river. He is never folding a 5 a Jack, any pair higher than the board, any ace etc etc etc basically anything that beats you. When you bet, he raises, you reraise then he raises again, there is like $27 in the pot? Something like that, it only costs you $5 more to call, amazing odds - but you should STILL fold. When people play crap hands, you dont want them to fold, you want them to call (when you have a better hand)
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    07-07-2012 , 11:49 AM
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    Originally Posted by chad0x00
    I was trying to think of a good strategy to beat this guy until I saw the hand you posted. You are losing because you do not know how to play poker. Drop down, read a lot more, try again. In this hand, fold pre, check fold flop, check fold turn, check fold river. ESPECIALLY check fold river. He is never folding a 5 a Jack, any pair higher than the board, any ace etc etc etc basically anything that beats you. When you bet, he raises, you reraise then he raises again, there is like $27 in the pot? Something like that, it only costs you $5 more to call, amazing odds - but you should STILL fold. When people play crap hands, you dont want them to fold, you want them to call (when you have a better hand)
    I don't mind leading the river - you can get stuff like A hi and K hi which beat you at showdown to fold. That said, folding to the raise is fairly mandatory.
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    07-07-2012 , 12:33 PM
    Op

    No offence but...

    Quote:
    You are losing because you do not know how to play poker.
    +1

    To get started


    Don't bluff at the micros & don't bluff stations. It kinda looks like villian is playing you.
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    07-07-2012 , 12:33 PM
    folding pre is not a good idea. I would not get into the habit of folding this flop either, I prefer a c/r here, but floating could be optimal. The river bet is fine as well, your line is consistent w/ how you would play 5x/Jx and you don't have much air in your range, so betting to fold out Ax/Kx is fine imo. Checking to induce a bluff is another option or if he doesn't have Kx/Ax in his range, c/f could be an option if you don't think he will bluff the river.

    The river is where you go wrong imo. Betting is fine obv, but when he raises, it is suicidal for him to bluff. Your perceived range will be either just Jx or Jx/5x, so your range is just too strong for him to think bluffing is profitable. For him to bluff the river w/ air he needs to think you float the flop w/ air, and if he believes that then you misplayed the flop, c/r is likely best.
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    07-07-2012 , 01:01 PM
    Just shove a few times, he'll get the message. Unlikely he's doing it with premiums every time. + if you do get called, you can always win and give him a beat and tilt him which is +ev. Shoving is so +ev unless you want to play the trapping game.
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    07-07-2012 , 01:28 PM
    Try berating him in chat

    No seriously, good advice ITT. Wait for a hand, then take him to value town.

    Is he raising a lot from the CO ? If so, call him in position from the button and float his cbets a few times or 3 bet him pre from the button.
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    07-07-2012 , 03:11 PM
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    Originally Posted by Krumb Snatcha
    folding pre is not a good idea. I would not get into the habit of folding this flop either, I prefer a c/r here, but floating could be optimal.
    Floating is better than c/r IMO but being OOP I still dont love it.

    When we c/r we pretty much rep a Jx type hand and even then he can flat and make life hard for us. When people raise me on paired boards I never give them credit and will usually flat them wide to try steal the pot later on. You would just x/c most Jx hands on a 55J board so raising makes no sense. What would we do if we c/r and he calls?

    You have position on him every hand but when you are in the SB. Just 3bet your value hands, call with low PPs. Just dont spew off to him, value bet thinner.
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    07-07-2012 , 03:20 PM
    Playing vs. someone who plays a lot of hands and doesn't fold postflop is lots of fun when you make a pair and soul-crushing when you don't.

    My advice: 3-bet with hands that can make a nice top or overpair, flop well and take his stack. Don't tilt if you miss or get sucked out on.
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    07-07-2012 , 04:35 PM
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    Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
    I don't mind leading the river - you can get stuff like A hi and K hi which beat you at showdown to fold. That said, folding to the raise is fairly mandatory.
    at the micros. I dont think people are folding that much.
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    07-07-2012 , 04:58 PM
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    Originally Posted by Queen6Suited
    This guy actually looks pretty good if I read his stats right.
    Other than the fact that he lost almost two buyins in 157 hands, you mean? Check out the villain's flop cbet versus turn cbet, that huge gap is not the mark of a good player.

    Anyway, nit it up in the big blind against him and win big pots with your pairs and AK/AQ.

    Also, note that he only wins at showdown 11% of the time, just call him down with good hands.
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    07-07-2012 , 05:07 PM
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    Originally Posted by Masq
    Just shove a few times, he'll get the message. Unlikely he's doing it with premiums every time. + if you do get called, you can always win and give him a beat and tilt him which is +ev. Shoving is so +ev unless you want to play the trapping game.
    Shoving is fine if he calls wide. I wouldn't be shoving to get him to change his behaviour though...I would rather he continue to play exactly like this so I can valuetown him now and forever.
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    07-07-2012 , 05:39 PM
    Positional VPIP is fine for a LAG but the rest are maniac stats. You will make most of your money when you have position on him. From the blinds, since you are not confident playing OOP versus him, you should play tighter than you would do for a standard player. Also, you will need to lower your c-bet frequency after a 3-bet and check-fold more often. As mentionned, try c/r the flop with your first value hands to see how he reacts. Even players calling too much know that c/r'ing show a lot of strength.
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