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11-14-2015 , 04:49 PM
Hello.

https://gyazo.com/e755340a7f24d1dc5d4d3e0a6dc94b7e

So before you say it, yes this is a small graph and I dont need to focus on that, but I just want to understand how the graph works.

So obviously the green line is the amount of BBs won, does anyone care to explain what the orange mean, and also how I can use the blue and red to improve my game.

Note I am very new to these graphs and stuff so please go easy on me.

Thanks in advance if anyone helps me!
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11-14-2015 , 05:50 PM
Your blue line goes up when you win at showdown. So if you have the best hand and your opponent shows a worse hand, and you win, it goes up. If you show a worse hand and lose, your blue line goes down.

The red line is the money you win/lose by folding. It goes down when you post a blind and fold, or fold to a 3-bet or reraise. It goes up if you get someone else to fold.

The green is obviously your net profit and is the combination of the red and blue lines.


The yellow/orange line is your green line but adjusted for all-in-EV, so the times you went all in as a favorite and lost or as a dog and won, this line will deviate from your actual results. It's a way of estimating the difference between your actual result and how well you are playing, but it is not a good indication of overall luck and can be difficult to interpret. I recommend turning off this line because for all intents and purposes it doesn't matter or provide any useful information.
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11-14-2015 , 06:02 PM
Thank you so much for the detailed help mate!
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11-14-2015 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Celerity
Your blue line goes up when you win at showdown. So if you have the best hand and your opponent shows a worse hand, and you win, it goes up. If you show a worse hand and lose, your blue line goes down.

The red line is the money you win/lose by folding. It goes down when you post a blind and fold, or fold to a 3-bet or reraise. It goes up if you get someone else to fold.

The green is obviously your net profit and is the combination of the red and blue lines.


The yellow/orange line is your green line but adjusted for all-in-EV, so the times you went all in as a favorite and lost or as a dog and won, this line will deviate from your actual results. It's a way of estimating the difference between your actual result and how well you are playing, but it is not a good indication of overall luck and can be difficult to interpret. I recommend turning off this line because for all intents and purposes it doesn't matter or provide any useful information.
All in EV line is more useful than the actual green line. If possible turn off the green line and keep the yellow one. The all in EV line has a greater chance of correlating to your actual winrate/lossrate than the profit line does because it adds the randomness of hitting cards when it is already all in which the yellow line does not have.

I'm not saying you should use the yellow line as an indication of your luck or anything but you're turning it around.
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11-14-2015 , 08:41 PM
You're exactly right

I was just trying to illustrate it might be more useful when you're losing to look at the exact hands you're losing to determine if you got the money in good, rather than just look at the line and assuming you're just getting lucky or unlucky.
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11-15-2015 , 03:58 AM
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The all in EV line has a greater chance of correlating to your actual winrate/lossrate than the profit line does because it adds the randomness of hitting cards when it is already all in which the yellow line does not have.
while this is correct, the increase in correlation is much smaller than most people think, especially in 6max, where most all-ins are coolers (therefore, ev0).
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11-15-2015 , 04:50 AM
Yep there's different ways to run bad, say in a spot where you got it in and lost set over set, the all-in EV line won't show that it was in a cooler because you got all in as a huge dog, even though against opponents entire range you made a correct play.
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11-16-2015 , 05:46 PM
All the coolers which you get dealt evens out on a long run and the chances of set over set scenarios are so little it shouldn't affect any of the stats if you put in decent volume .
Good luck
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11-17-2015 , 08:23 AM
Your graph is indicating that you are playing correctly. Well done. You can still improve it a bit more but you're well on the right track
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11-17-2015 , 10:48 AM
Im not sure if im allowed to continue on this but I've got a similar question.
I've been playing some 9-max SNGs lately so this sample is is merely from tourneys.

I actually understand the lines correctly (i think haha).
But i find it hard to draw any conclusions out of it. What needs improvement, what's going well?
I am trying to find leaks in my play, especially the gear-changing in the different stages of the tournament (early mid bubble etc.)

https://gyazo.com/59f7639e61ef3d969bba5c94f372c597

This image is my overall graph.

https://gyazo.com/3c4461dade549eae023da2f775025963

and this is my graph for the 25/50 (early/mid stages) of the SNG

Should I use BB as x-axis , or should I use chips (as stealing in early something less done than in late)

Not that the EV and the net profit are 'swapped' in the two images. What should I make of it ?

What should i make of the fact my red line is minus ALOT. I know stealing is unethical , but should I obviously steal more ?
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11-18-2015 , 04:01 AM
Winter just as long as you keep that mustard green above water and in a slightly upward trend then all is going great.
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11-18-2015 , 04:10 AM
Seems crystal clear.

You dont think I can find some leaks if I compare these graphs on every blind level ?
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11-25-2015 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Cfoye
Your graph is indicating that you are playing correctly. Well done. You can still improve it a bit more but you're well on the right track
Does it?
It looks like he is way above EV, like WAY above EV. Isn't he getting it all in bad and winning?
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11-25-2015 , 07:34 AM
No. Because the green being above the mustard isn't always indicative of running well it also means he has won many hands without seeing a showdown. It's a combination of those two factors. But the mustard line trending upwards shows he is fundamentally playing well
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11-25-2015 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Cfoye
No. Because the green being above the mustard isn't always indicative of running well it also means he has won many hands without seeing a showdown. It's a combination of those two factors. But the mustard line trending upwards shows he is fundamentally playing well
Yes it is. The yellow (mustard if you will) line indicates what your average results would be given the hands that have been dealt. They are a very small part of the overall variance but if your green line is above the yellow line you do run good in all ins, it's just that simple.

Also the yellow line is barely above the 0 which is basically breakeven. There is nothing about this graph that signals "going totally ok", actually his expected winnings have been negative the whole time except for the last few hands. You're interpreting this graph totally the wrong way.

Edit: actually his entire profit (and then some) came from all in situations where he got more than his fair share.
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11-25-2015 , 11:44 PM
I'm not disagreeing that green above yellow (both in profit above the black breakeven line) is running well I'm saying its that and playing well in non all in situations. I'm open to being corrected on that if that's wrong.

Last edited by Cfoye; 11-25-2015 at 11:50 PM.
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11-26-2015 , 02:20 AM
OP: Posting a graph won't help the forum help you improve. Post your positional VPIP/PFR/etc. stats and some hand histories.
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11-27-2015 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Cfoye
I'm not disagreeing that green above yellow (both in profit above the black breakeven line) is running well I'm saying its that and playing well in non all in situations. I'm open to being corrected on that if that's wrong.
Take another look at the graph, but imagine the blue and green lines aren't on there. Would you say someone with that yellow line was a winning player?

He's been running 18bb/100 above EV. That's huge.

If we could see the VPIP/PFR stats, we'd probably all be saying "massive fish".
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