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08-03-2017 , 11:36 PM
You guys are amazing! Fresh new player here trying to learn the ropes.
Im just learning how to squeeze and I think I made a bad fold here, but maybe you can help me.

5NL 9max ignition

Hero stack 7.41 in the high jack dealt KJ
Villain stack 11.43 45/21 (53 hands)

F, UTG+1 .15, Villain C, F, Hero R .45, F, F, F, F, F, Villain C
FLOP A K 5 pot 1.12
X,X
TURN 7 pot 1.12
Villain .56, Hero C
RIVER 5 pot 2.24
Villain 1.07, Hero F

1) I think my squeeze was too small right?

2) At the time, I was just sure Villain had an A, AQo is what I was thinking. But he flatted twice! so maybe more likely he had TT or QJs.

What do you think? Squeeze should have been bigger right? And I'm getting the odds to make this call, right? Was the check OTF a bad move or the call OTT?

Thank you so much for any reply.
cheers
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08-04-2017 , 01:57 AM
This isn't really a squeeze...

Be careful when you're vs an EP raises and when villains in EP/MP call. In this scenario, usually UTG/UTG+1 opens are given more credit then CO/BU opens. The biggest part of the squeezing is getting marginal/weak hands to fold and collecting the pot preflop

That is why you see squeezes done with less people to act who haven't acted. By just calling preflop villains who enter the pot can be labelled more weak. "Usually" if you can get the initial open to fold the others will also fold since their hands are typically weaker.

In your scenario you have 5 people left to act behind you (who havent acted at all yet) and you 3b vs a statistically speaking, tighter range (UTG+1), this is more of just a really bad 3bet.

In terms of your 3b sizing it is way to small considering there is .37 already in the pot and you make it only .45


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Originally Posted by BadFish2
At the time, I was just sure Villain had an A, AQo is what I was thinking. But he flatted twice! so maybe more likely he had TT or QJs.
He didn't flat twice, he bet and you called. I also doubt villain is betting turn AND river with medium'ish pp or QJs, the sizing for turn and river bet aren't big enough for bluffs and lean more towards value.

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Originally Posted by BadFish2
And I'm getting the odds to make this call, right? Was the check OTF a bad move or the call OTT?
Flop x/x is standard
Turn it's okay to call as a bluff catcher and you're IP for the river
River is a pretty easy fold because you are calling hoping for a chop and thats if he doesnt have an ace or better. He isn't betting QQ or less, and his UTG+1 open and called your 3b oop, his range is stronger then yours and hits that flop.

Tl;dr Give up river and in the future don't 3bet KJo in MP

Last edited by AznblackhawkCo; 08-04-2017 at 02:20 AM.
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08-04-2017 , 01:30 PM
Facing a raise by UTG+1 and a call by MP in a full ring game, you should just fold KJo in the hijack. If you want to squeeze it should be at a very low frequency in this spot, due to the very narrow/strong ranges of the two players that have entered the pot, and the large number of players still to act that could wake up with something even stronger. In addition, apart from the KK+ that you squeeze with for value, you should almost always have an ace in your hand to make this play. An ace blocker is very important when faced by early position raises.

The light squeezes I make in this spot would be drawn from the following hands: AK, AQs, AJs, A5s, A4s. Very occasionally I would use something like 65s since that does at least have two live cards. It's important to have an ace in your hand, partly because you block AA/AK (hands that will 4-bet you) and your blocker thus increases the chance of winning immediately due to fold equity (you're repping aces), and partly so that you have at least one overcard when you get called by QQ-TT. KJo is a pretty bad hand to squeeze with, since it doesn't block AA or QQ, is crushed by KK/AK and it doesn't have a huge amount of equity/playability vs the hands that call.

If you want to squeeze, then yes, it should be bigger. Make it pot-sized.

As played, the flop check back is good with middle pair. The turn is pretty close. I wouldn't mind just folding. Villain often has AK/AQs or even KK, but he might think he can bet QQ, which you are of course ahead of. Folding river seems sensible. Villain is unlikely to be bluffing with QQ-TT or something random once you've called the turn.
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08-05-2017 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
Facing a raise by UTG+1 and a call by MP in a full ring game, you should just fold KJo in the hijack. If you want to squeeze it should be at a very low frequency in this spot, due to the very narrow/strong ranges of the two players that have entered the pot, and the large number of players still to act that could wake up with something even stronger. In addition, apart from the KK+ that you squeeze with for value, you should almost always have an ace in your hand to make this play. An ace blocker is very important when faced by early position raises.

The light squeezes I make in this spot would be drawn from the following hands: AK, AQs, AJs, A5s, A4s. Very occasionally I would use something like 65s since that does at least have two live cards. It's important to have an ace in your hand, partly because you block AA/AK (hands that will 4-bet you) and your blocker thus increases the chance of winning immediately due to fold equity (you're repping aces), and partly so that you have at least one overcard when you get called by QQ-TT. KJo is a pretty bad hand to squeeze with, since it doesn't block AA or QQ, is crushed by KK/AK and it doesn't have a huge amount of equity/playability vs the hands that call.

If you want to squeeze, then yes, it should be bigger. Make it pot-sized.

As played, the flop check back is good with middle pair. The turn is pretty close. I wouldn't mind just folding. Villain often has AK/AQs or even KK, but he might think he can bet QQ, which you are of course ahead of. Folding river seems sensible. Villain is unlikely to be bluffing with QQ-TT or something random once you've called the turn.
Wow. Thank you for all of this info. So helpful!!
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08-05-2017 , 11:19 AM
I've got another hand for review. Thank you for any response!

5NL 9max ignition
Hero stack 5
Villain stack 5.12 44/33 (9hands) obviously no real read

Hero in BB dealt Ad Qs

F, F, Villain opens .17, Fx5, Hero calls .12
FLOP Ac Kd Ts pot.36
Hero X, Villain .10, Hero .40, Villain C
TURN 5s pot1.16
Hero .70, Villain C
RIVER Qd
Hero 1.28, Villain AI 3.85, Hero call

Questions:
1) Do you like my line, at least before the R Call?
2) Do you like my sizing?
3) Do you like my river call as a bluff catch?

Thank you!
cheers
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08-06-2017 , 01:32 PM
With the AQ, I like the call pre, but then I would just check-call down. I don't think check-raising and then barreling is a great idea. I hate the river bet especially. You made two pairs, but there are four Broadways on the board.
You have AQ on AKT5Q. Any jack beats you, along with AA, KK, TT, and AK. I don't think you should be betting anything except maybe AJ/KJ, as it's likely he will check back any made hand that isn't a straight, so you need to try and get value when you have the nuts.
I actually hate making two pairs in that spot, because the most obvious hand you're beating on the flop and turn (AJ) sucked out. Villain isn't going to call down with A9 or A8 on that board, is he?

When villain raises, he should pretty much always have the nuts. It's not a great spot for him to raise as a bluff, because it should be obvious to him that you're repping the nuts and won't be folding. It's also hard to think of many combos he could be bluffing with if he bet-called flop and called turn. To have total air on this board, he'd need something like 98ss, which shouldn't be in pre-flop range, let alone the range that sees the turn. Calling the shove would generally be a huge mistake, because you almost always lose.

The biggest issue I've seen in your posts is what is called "level 1 thinking". You appear to be looking at your hands and thinking "I haz two pairs. That iz good hand. I bet."
You have to think about your opponent's range, and what you're trying to achieve with your bets. You can't just barrel away without considering which hands you're trying to get called by, and you can't just say "I'll bluffcatch", unless you can think of some hands that villain might bluff with.

Last edited by ArtyMcFly; 08-06-2017 at 01:41 PM.
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08-06-2017 , 02:06 PM
The AQ hand was reposted in another thread with more responses: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...track-1682402/
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08-07-2017 , 04:58 PM
As everybody has already told you, 3betting KJo in full ring vs an UTG raise is certainly not a good play. Fold pre.

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